Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward

[Leshma]

I CALL DIBS ON THE TURKSLAYER.

Doubt you'll have any Turks around to slay. Maybe Blockula or Reyiz, and that's it.

[Molly]

I am with Teeth on this one.

Melee will be a commercial product and not some nerdy mod... those kind of names shouldn't be allowed,

[Panos_]

I am with Teeth on this one.

Melee will be a commercial product and not some nerdy mod... those kind of names shouldn't be allowed,

Don`t forget to ban red, white and black as well, we don`t want people to start calling us nazees 

[Teeth]

Turks aint a race.

Race is a social concept, not a biological one. Turks are as much a race as black people are.

But then again, Basel the Bulgarslayer was such a neo chocolate chip cookie 

An emperor that lived a thousands years in an empire that was at war with Bulgars had a comparable nickname, thus it is okay for you to do the same now in an international community that contains many Turks? And yes, he probably was a pretty bad racist and the people that named him probably were racist as well. Teeth the Jewslayer does have a nice ring to it I guess.

[Algarn]

Race is a social concept, not a biological one. Turks are as much a race as black people are.

Race is a biological concept, not a social concept. Turkish is a nationality, like french, english, or whatever. Black is a color, you can't say about someone he's turkish when it comes to his color of skin. The use of the "race" term to define a skin color is archaïc, and wrong according to biology.

[Panos_]

Race is a social concept, not a biological one. Turks are as much a race as black people are.
An emperor that lived a thousands years in an empire that was at war with Bulgars had a comparable nickname, thus it is okay for you to do the same now in an international community that contains many Turks? And yes, he probably was a pretty bad racist and the people that named him probably were racist as well. Teeth the Jewslayer does have a nice ring to it I guess.

if the turks are allowed to have pictures of Kemal Ataturk posted at this forum (who commited a genocide against Greeks), then I think I`m allowed to use the TurkSlayer name aswell.

[Leshma]

Greek committing genocide against his own people.

[Teeth]

Race is a biological concept, not a social concept.

Race when used to classify humans is rarely used in a strictly biological sense and it is highly debatable if it is useful at all. In every day of the word 'race' people are definitely not referring to differentations made based solely on genotype. Even if you want to go with a strictly biological definition, Turks might be definable as a race, although I have no idea how biological definitions of human races even work. As you seem so sure of your biological human races, I'd love to see you enlighten me. What human races do exist according to you?

Turkish is a nationality, like french, english, or whatever.

Turkish is far more than a nationality, at the very least it is a very large ethno-linguistic groups spread over many countries. If it was solely a nationality then Panos' name would be even worse, as it would refer only to the current Turks living in Turkey, you know, the ones that are playing this game as well. I hope that Panos is only referring to inhabitants of historical Turkish kingdoms. 

The use of the "race" term to define a skin color is archaïc, and wrong according to biology.

Yet this use is by far, and I mean by far, the most relevant use of the term in language today, which demonstrates that race as a social concept, exists regardless of there being biological human races. And has done so for a long time.

if the turks are allowed to have pictures of Kemal Ataturk posted at this forum (who commited a genocide against Greeks), then I think I`m allowed to use the TurkSlayer name aswell.

I don't see why.

[Casimir]

seriously can there just for once be a discussion on this forum that doesn't descend into people calling each other racist.

if a person takes offence to a name like that then they really need to grow a pair, this is the internet it's hardly the most upsetting thing you will see in the next hour let alone day.

'oh no someone on a video game called himself the britslayer, i am really hurt by this and might cry'

grow up you social justice warriors.

[Teeth]

It didn't descend into calling people racists, I started with calling Panos racist. I think equating the way you feel about your ethnicity with the way people from regions like Turkey or the Balkan should feel about theirs, ignores some very important historical differences. Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck what you see about my country, language or ethnic group, that does not hold for everyone though. As a developer team that sells a product, you shouldn't want your game turning into 4chan.

[Umbra]

Lets turn it into a tumblr SJW ecochamber instead 

Croats are a race, we are black Germans 

[Algarn]

Race when used to classify humans is rarely used in a strictly biological sense and it is highly debatable if it is useful at all. In every day of the word 'race' people are definitely not referring to differentations made based solely on genotype. Even if you want to go with a strictly biological definition, Turks might be definable as a race, although I have no idea how biological definitions of human races even work. As you seem so sure of your biological human races, I'd love to see you enlighten me. What human races do exist according to you?
Turkish is far more than a nationality, at the very least it is a very large ethno-linguistic groups spread over many countries. If it was solely a nationality then Panos' name would be even worse, as it would refer only to the current Turks living in Turkey, you know, the ones that are playing this game as well. I hope that Panos is only referring to inhabitants of historical Turkish kingdoms. 
Yet this use is by far, and I mean by far, the most relevant use of the term in language today, which demonstrates that race as a social concept, exists regardless of there being biological human races. And has done so for a long time.
I don't see why.

There's no race as far I remember, since science proved, thanks to genes, that the genetics variations between individuals of a same "group" are more important than the genetic variations betweens different geographicals groups. Those guys in America that are trying to find biological arguments to make re appear the term "race" as a biological term are wrong, and are outlawed.

PS : This means basically there's more genetical variations between "white" people than variations between black and white people. It also means that people trying to find things to create sub groups within the ONLY race, the human race, are pure retards.

PPS : I was just pointing out the use of the term "race" is wrong, I'm not insulting anyone in this thread. Maybe it's time to get back on the actual topic.

[Moncho]

Sure Casimir, I will be the TurtleSlayer then
Personally I would like to keep Moncho (it's a very old real life nickname of mine), but if that is not possible, I will just slightly modify it and move on.
About name moderation, there definitely should be some, but what level is really up to the devs. No matter what the rules are, retards trolls are going to try to bend them as far as they can get away with.

[Casimir]

It didn't descend into calling people racists, I started with calling Panos racist. I think equating the way you feel about your ethnicity with the way people from regions like Turkey or the Balkan should feel about theirs, ignores some very important historical differences. Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck what you see about my country, language or ethnic group, that does not hold for everyone though. As a developer team that sells a product, you shouldn't want your game turning into 4chan.

Oh my god i can't believe you're deriding the way i feel about my ethnicity, that's so judgemental. I feel very strongly about my national racial identity, how dare you! You have triggered me now you racist.

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seriously though if people can't get over small things like a stupid name then how could they ever survive in any online gaming community? I'm not suggesting we all go around calling ourselves overtly racist names but seriously this is a ridiculous thing to get caught up on and nothing to do with the topic of discussion Name Reservation Reward

[Torben]

lol