Is removing bushes ingame something we should consider cheating?

[Donkey_Thrower]

the only way this can be detected is by observation.  I say ban them if you catch them doing something shady like this.

Kind of like ESP or any other memory based cheats, undetectable but an active admin should be able to sniff it out

[lombardsoup]

devs should really add a simple file check so people cant do this or alter the game files in any fashion.  adopted mods like heirloom pack could be checked for integrity as well

Like we really need to keep giving players a reason to leave

[Hirlok]

we had several leeeeengthy threads about this in the past - and it is still the same thing:
some idiots need their epeen and try to "win" by using flat vegetation (very clear on that battle map with the huge grass - a certain cav player is ALWAYS lancing in there with pinpoint accuracy where he shouldn't be able to see shit...), transparent walls, rain/fog removal, etc.

As long range archer it is your job to take up firing positions with good cover - and after some time you realize: there is no such thing in c-rpg, because around 30% of the players across all classes are using one or more cheats of this sort.

This has been known for a long time, AFAIK it would be easy to fix (make list of allowed mods or integrate them into the official release, check file integrity at every launch), but obviously nobody has ever seen the need for it, "cuz fuck realism".

Of course a file check CAN be circumvented, but that is way harder than just editing a couple of files, and would reduce this sort of nonsense.
Way better than leave it to (never biased and never brocoding and never otherwise "not so objective") admins...

[lombardsoup]

Way better than leave it to (never biased and never brocoding and never otherwise "not so objective") admins...

crpg is 100% brocoding, that hasn't changed in four years and likely won't for the foreseeable future, you might as well not even bother

[Macropus]

Devs themselves introduced a "red banner over the enemies' heads" feature with WSE 2, not much different from removing the bushes.

My point is - both should be forbidden.

[Jeade]

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[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

Well first of all in response to Digglez and Hirlok;

A whitelist/blacklist for textures that is applied at startup wouldn't be enough, because people could easily circumvent that. Textures/meshes can be replaced once the game has already started and when you enter multiplayer/a server your textures/meshes load. There would have to be a check every time a player tries to enter a server.

That is to say even if we had a startup check for a whitelist of client-side files, people could still just replace textures once their game is started. You could literally just keep a folder with all your normal textures and a folder with all your neon pink textures, and just swap it out once your past the check and your multiplayer match will load the neon pink textures. It would take a cheater like two extra button clicks and 8 seconds.

The other problem is that you are crimping the creative freedom of cRPG players who want to design items for themselves or the public, or just mod the game to have fun.

[WITCHCRAFT]

It is dumb and makes your game look dumb and you can top the scoreboard without being dumb like this.

Blacklist/whitelist would, as daruvian said, fuck over the guy that just wants to make his sword look like a lightsaber or use custom armor. The cheaters could bypass it with no effort. It would be a waste of devs' time.

[Turkhammer]

Yes but its not against the rules afaik

That's easily changed.

People get banned for lot's of things here that aren't specifically spelled out in the rules.

[Turkhammer]

Like we really need to keep giving players a reason to leave

If players can't compete without hacks and cheats then they should fuck off.

[Dooz]

If players can't compete with players who use hacks and cheats they should fuck off.

[WITCHCRAFT]

If players can't use hacks and cheats they should fuck off.

[Battlepriest]

how can we play hide and seek without bushes

[Molly]

It's not that I really care about being killed. I am rather bad at the game, so I do die a lot.
The reason I made this thread is that it was never that obvious to me that someone is using something to gain an unfair advantage.

Never seen an autoblocker, never seen someone using macros (maybe simply not able to spot it) and never before did I see someone who played obviously without vegetation.

Personally, I dunno if it's a good idea to leave it to the admins. There is a high chance that someone gets banned for just being lucky/good. On the other hand, if an admin feels comfortable and secure enough to endure the following shit storm in here, I wouldn't mind either. Kinda torn between the two options.

Guess we'll just have to deal with it. I sure am more aware now after seeing it "live".

[Latvian]

i would gladly accept instructions how to remove bushes, i dont see why some people would have that advantage over the others.