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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2014, 07:13:45 pm »
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Maybe a small change would suffice, but the difficulty would need to be increased for any larger ones. Italian falchion has 11 difficulty.

Penitent has a point. +1 PS is around 2-3 extra cut. A guy with +2 PS and a wakizashi would have a better weapon than +2 WM and the italian falchion.

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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2014, 07:15:59 pm »
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Its 0 slot. It should not be a good primary weapon. The issue is that 0 slot weapons are too good in general
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2014, 07:16:21 pm »
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No, in my experience 1 speed is worth like 2 points of cut damage.  That thing is fast as hell.  I think it should have 1 less damage actually. 

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It's been ignored on the right forum section for a while and bored Corsair couldn't come up with any of his funny trollthreads so here we are :)

Other weapons have been balanced 1spd=1c damage. This one should be the same, so give it two more cut. Done, everyone's happy. Just leave it the ridiculous weeboo price and it's all good.

A guy with +2 PS and a wakizashi would have a better weapon than +2 WM and the italian falchion.

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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2014, 07:22:13 pm »
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1 PS provides you more than a few points of cut while 1 WM is essentially 1 extra speed.

This means that +2 PS and it gives it an extra 5 cut. +2 WM is an extra 2 speed (and I guess +1 cut). 34c 104 speed vs 35c 103 speed. Meh, not as much of a difference as I said. Anyways, it's not as UP as it seems, but it might deserve a small bump.

I think 0 slot weapons deserve to be decent. They're short and light.

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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2014, 07:31:38 pm »
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Not short and not particularly light for a 1 hander. Good stab and decent side swings. Better than plenty of 1 handers imo. Length isn't a good stat for 1 handers anyway, you want them fast and short enough to not bounce and hit early in the animation (unless you are 1 hand cav). Its preference ofc, but I don't think being short is necessarily a bad thing for a 1 hander

Anyway the real issue is how good they are when combo'd with a shield and crossbow/bow
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2014, 07:54:25 pm »
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I think it was too good back when it was 102 speed, 28p, and 30c. Now, it's neither overly strong nor fast. Most of the longer weapons are 99 speed and just as strong. You need to make use of both swings and stabs to match most of the others or else weapons dedicated in one area such as the liuyedao or espada eslavona will outshine it. It's one of the better 0 slot weapons at +5 length and a bit more cut for -2 speed, but it's also more expensive.

They are going to be good, but I would hope the build differences would help exploit the weaknesses rather than have artificially weak weapons. I think length is very important, which is probably where our biggest difference lie. ACS on foot is usable at 0 athletics because it's so long that you barely need to move much.

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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2014, 08:36:52 pm »
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Instead, lets make Nitoryu a thing and have duel wielding with a Katana Wakazazhi combo.
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2014, 08:50:34 pm »
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Habi used the thing on eu1 one morning and ran the server ragged using it as an OP 4 directional rondel dagger. Its fast as lightening and can outspam anything. Lets not buff it pls.
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2014, 08:58:58 pm »
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Normally I would be okey with a 1-2 cut increase in it. But here's the catch! Isn't this wepaon designes for Low-strenght characters (The ones who have like 6 or 9 Strenght)? If you'd buff it then the strenght requirement would have to increase. probly to at least 6 instead of 4.

Ofcourse I ain't a Item balancer but there has to be a tradeoff. But if it gets a buff, it removes the actual intended use of this weapon. A decent 4-difficulty sword.
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2014, 09:28:14 pm »
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Look at the difficulty fegget. You can be much more effective agiwhore/ath-whore with wakizashi.
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2014, 09:43:05 pm »
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I'm a proud owner of a MW Waki... I think it's great for what it is!
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2014, 09:48:57 pm »
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Low req/insane speed, I don't see why this needs a buff tbh. Its one of those niche weapons that have their special place but arent top tier in any way.

Price could get a nerf imo
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2014, 10:30:20 pm »
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I was using it the other day, and it was fine; You get so close that a left swing is pretty much a guaranteed hit to the head and it's insanely fast. I just think it's too expensive, but you have to pay extra for those extra 100,000 folds in the blade.

The only trouble I had was when I got Agi Polearm s-keyed, which is annoying to deal with anyway. I'm just hoping that Agi Polearm S-Key Instahitting will die pretty soon, or else some balancer is going to have to touch a tiny stat and endure the ensuing shitstorm.
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2014, 11:10:05 pm »
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I was using it the other day, and it was fine; You get so close that a left swing is pretty much a guaranteed hit to the head and it's insanely fast. I just think it's too expensive, but you have to pay extra for those extra 100,000 folds in the blade.

The only trouble I had was when I got Agi Polearm s-keyed, which is annoying to deal with anyway. I'm just hoping that Agi Polearm S-Key Instahitting will die pretty soon, or else some balancer is going to have to touch a tiny stat and endure the ensuing shitstorm.

that's rubbish, i have 10 athletics and 189 1h wpf, +3 wakizashi, the left swing is practically impossible to hit against someone who is backing away, or half the time someone who's standing still.

when i say it's short i mean it's short.
give it +2 cut and increase it's difficulty to 6 IMO.
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Re: buff wakizashi
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2014, 11:18:31 pm »
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What's with the agi polearm QQ? lol

Anyways, I see nothing wrong with +1c +1p. Short falchion is 30c and the Wakizashi is probably worse than the Nordic Short Sword.