Will crpg gold be important in strategus?

[22nd_King_Plazek]

No, if gold has no value it will not be a good thing.

We will be restricted to a barter economy, people wont want gold. Effective currency is useful, it needs to have value or we will have a useless monetary system. It is not the fault of the players and it is not interesting if there is not a proper system in place to control the economy. The financial collapse will be inevitable and we will be stuck trading goods like cavemen.

This is of course all said with no knowledge of what is planned. Maybe there is a lot more to things than chadz says and there will be some systems in place to control the economy.

However the EVE devs hired a doctor of economics to manage their economy for a reason.

[Sharky]

I'm not saying we shouldn't have gold. I'm saying that there should be a strategus gold and a crpg gold.
Gold in crpg is gained in 3 ways : running around with crappy gear, selling heirlooms or who grinded before the manteinance patch. All those things have nothing to do with economy or strategy.
Think about this grinding gold flow into strategus, with people starting strategus with milions gold while others have 0. The more likely outcomes are:
1)Rejecting totally the gold as a value since it's not a measure of wealth and good trading, so we will have to barter for everything (you can see on crpg marketplace how nice is that)
2)Accept that whoever put more peasant clothes on crpg wins, wich it will make the real strategus economy (trading, taxes) useless or at least less useful.

[Topsnus]

This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The issue with the old strategus was that power=gold. And gold was earned in cRPG, therefore the power of a faction in strategus was tied to the amount its members played cRPG, and not to the situation on the strategus map. The result being a severly broken game where tactics meant nothing, all that mattered was who had the most people who played the most in thier faction, and could therefore by all black armor and chargers.

However, tieing gold to nothing doesn't fix this in any way. What this will mean is that gold is useless. Because there will be so much coming out of essentially nowhere (cRPG) its value will be nothing. The only thing people could want it for is so that they can play with all black armor all the time in cRPG. Basically, the best case scenario is that cRPG is completely crippled.

Strategus either needs to have a seperate economy from cRPG, or ALL of the cRPG battles need to be part of strategus. Because the second option isn't really an option, the economies need to be seperate.

If the currencey has no value, there is no power in currency. This means there is no power in controlling the market. The end result will be a boringly simplistic economy where you produce one thing, and trade it for the other things you need. There will be no ability to work with the economy to get an edge.

[Seprest]

Gold must be a store of value. Current markets systems evolved from using the gold-standard, you can't just jump to having valueless gold floating around in a system that is based on gathering resources - there would  be no way to appraise it if it will not be used for anything in the new strategus!   I predict that there will not be very many different kinds of resources in strategus, so there will not need really be need for having gold at all if there is little to do with it ingame.  People can just trade resource A for resource B, they are directly interchangeable so there is no need for a medium of exchange.  There will have to be another solution to make gold something other than a resource to recruit mercs.

[Timotheusthereal]

I think chadz have already dealt with the matter of money!

chadz can make gold wipe and suddenly... gold is very worthy again.

[Sharky]

Also recruiting mercs will require gold, basedof the battle tab on crpg website that opened again. So, more grind gold = better mercenaries on strategus. Come on...
Tying crpg gold to strategus was ok in old strategus since there were no economy, but now that you implemented a trade system it's just bad to have crpg gold in strategus 

[kinngrimm]

we got upkeep in crpg which limits the ability to gold gain aslong you are not a class or person who mainly goes in light gear, those can gain gold more easily then others, which is a flaw in crpg.

Nevertheless the repair costs are a good thing and i would suggest to have repair cost  for your troops and their gear in strategus aswell. So a battle/siege in strategus not only gives you money but depending on your gear you use it costs aswell.

Secondly we would need upkeep in some form for standing armies.


That would make the collection of large piles of money more difficult and having a standing army which is just there waiting for a battle expensive.

[ManOfWar]

We need an economist to sort this whole thing out

[22nd_King_Plazek]

I think chadz have already dealt with the matter of money!

chadz can make gold wipe and suddenly... gold is very worthy again.

Not at all.

This just means there is 0% certainty in the gold market.

Thus to anyone who is not an idiot gold will have 0 value.

[Sharky]

Not at all.

This just means there is 0% certainty in the gold market.

Thus to anyone who is not an idiot gold will have 0 value.

Even if gold will get used directly only to hire mercs on strategus, it will surely have a lot of value. Clans with milions gold can offer the max possible payiment, while others will have to settle with less thus recruiting less and worse mercs. And that will make gold valuable also on item market, since all clans will need gold for mercs hiring.

Gold wipe (like in the old strategus, the money you gain is transferred to strategus but what you had before the strategus doens't count) would just lessen the problem, yeah you will have less stored grind money floating around, but some clans will always have more money since repair costs are really different based on your clan gear. A ranged or ninja clan will always get a lot more money then a cavalry clan for example.

[DarkFox]

I dont feel like players(mercs) will demand payment, they will fight just for fun.

[BaldRider]

Last Strat you fought for xp rather than gold.

[Sharky]

Last Strat you fought for xp rather than gold.

There were no manteinance and no heirloom market, so no need of gold for your crpg char. Also the money you gained as a merc on strategus only went to your crpg char, you couldn't transfer it to strategus.

[22nd_King_Plazek]

I know I will be trying to set up mercenary contracts for my players where we will not fight for gold but for something that will actually retain its value. Should it become apparant there are no plans to solve these potential issues.

Even if gold will get used directly only to hire mercs on strategus, it will surely have a lot of value. Clans with milions gold can offer the max possible payiment, while others will have to settle with less thus recruiting less and worse mercs. And that will make gold valuable also on item market, since all clans will need gold for mercs hiring.

Gold wipe (like in the old strategus, the money you gain is transferred to strategus but what you had before the strategus doens't count) would just lessen the problem, yeah you will have less stored grind money floating around, but some clans will always have more money since repair costs are really different based on your clan gear. A ranged or ninja clan will always get a lot more money then a cavalry clan for example.

Yea and in the Weimar Republic/Hungary/Zimbabwe, or in other cases of hyper inflation people had loads of money too. They had to take wheelbarrows to the shops just to carry enough money to buy bread or order a beer. But it does not matter how much of this worthless money you have if you cannot do anything with it, because as soon as someone comes along with something worth bartering for. well, the relative value of a wheelbarrow-load of money becomes irrelevant. Then the institution of a useful currency system is put in jeopardy.

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If gold is wiped mid strategus this will not help either. There will be no certainty in the currency. If people fear that a wipe could happen as a potential solution to these problems then do you think they will want to accept this gold as payment that will potentially be wiped?!

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Hyper inflation is often caused by the uncontrolled printing of money, just like CRPG grinding will be doing. If you have any knowledge of economics then you will realise these problems cannot be talked away.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Hyperinflation.html

Hyperinflations are caused by extremely rapid growth in the supply of “paper” money. They occur when the monetary and fiscal authorities of a nation regularly issue large quantities of money to pay for a large stream of government expenditures.

How do hyperinflations end? The standard answer is that governments have to make a credible commitment to halting the rapid growth in the stock of money.

[Whalen207]