Kurd discussion

[sF_Guardian]

I'm a bit hesitant towards arming the Pshergma with modern technology.
We've seen what happens if you arm extremist organisations like the Taliban in Afghanistan. First they will do what you expect them to do
but later you'll have a huge amounth of well armed soldiers who have nothing to do and need new aims to fight for. I don't know the background
of the Pshergma well enough to decide wether it would be a good or bad choice in the end.
Imo western states should be very careful not to arm any militia/army who's aims aren't exactly obvious and clear. For example if the Phergma would
later fight the Iraqian gouvernement or deliver weapons to extremist groups in Turkey or other regions we would at some point be expected to
step in and "clean up" the mess we would have created by arming forces who aren't bound to any law and have a very complicated leading structure/
clans etc.
The only tragic but logical choice would be to stop the ISIS by ourselves which would cause casualties in our own armies, though. I know western states
prefer to let others fight for them because casualties always harms the will of the population to support the choice politicians made but It's about time for
the states who invaded Afghanistan/Iraq to deal with the huge pile of shit they caused.

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[Christo]

I'm a bit hesitant towards arming the Pshergma with modern technology.
We've seen what happens if you arm extremist organisations like the Taliban in Afghanistan. First they will do what you expect them to do
but later you'll have a huge amounth of well armed soldiers who have nothing to do and need new aims to fight for. I don't know the background
of the Pshergma well enough to decide wether it would be a good or bad choice in the end.
Imo western states should be very careful not to arm any militia/army who's aims aren't exactly obvious and clear. For example if the Phergma would
later fight the Iraqian gouvernement or deliver weapons to extremist groups in Turkey or other regions we would at some point be expected to
step in and "clean up" the mess we would have created by arming forces who aren't bound to any law and have a very complicated leading structure/
clans etc.
The only tragic but logical choice would be to stop the ISIS by ourselves which would cause casualties in our own armies, though. I know western states
prefer to let others fight for them because casualties always harms the will of the population to support the choice politicians made but It's about time for
the states who invaded Afghanistan/Iraq to deal with the huge pile of shit they caused.

It's pretty obvious what the Peshmergas want: Free Kurdistan

[sF_Guardian]

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It's pretty obvious what the Peshmergas want: Free Kurdistan

Yeah, yeah, and the Taliban wanted FREE Afghanistan, America wanted to free Lybia and Iraq, everyone wants freedom...
Well to be more serious, free Kurdistan might also include liberating the Kurds in other regions which would cause major problems for other countries.

[JennaHaze]

And this is a simple example why we can't sit on a table  and discuss about the problem  and try to find a solution. There is always someone like this. Saying ''fuck the Kurds'' or other way around.

sit on a table with kurds? do you even turk? they should be banned from turkey and maybe a holocaust should be done not maybe it must be done

[sF_Guardian]

sit on a table with kurds? do you even turk? they should be banned from turkey and maybe a holocaust should be done not maybe it must be done

What did they do to you personally, eat your candy?

[Murmillus_Prime]

I believe the Kurds are as deserving their own state as the Palestinians.

The Kurds state pretty much unofficially stretches from Northern Syria into Northern Iraq, next step is to be legitimised by the U.N. Although NATO state Turkey may view this as a betrayal by its NATO partners and such an act may push Turkey closer to Russia and away from the Wests orbit.

[Kirman]

I believe the Kurds are as deserving their own state as the Palestinians.

The Kurds state pretty much unofficially stretches from Northern Syria into Northern Iraq, next step is to be legitimised by the U.N. Although NATO state Turkey may view this as a betrayal by its NATO partners and such an act may push Turkey closer to Russia and away from the Wests orbit.

I would like to be close to Russia to be honest. The problem is Erdogan is licking the ass of US all the time so...

[LordBerenger]

sit on a table with kurds? do you even turk? they should be banned from turkey and maybe a holocaust should be done not maybe it must be done

Last i checked you did genocide kurds as well as Armenians.

Anyhow.  Problem is. Kurdistan consists of parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria. 4 countries that would have to accept that.  1 which is an Islamic fanatic country.  2 which have broken down into civil wars. And 1 country that hates kurds since pre-Aptalturk.

Either way. They helped Iran against Iraq. They're constantly fighting islamic extremists. They helped USA in the Iraq war. They have women in their military.  And their regions that they've officially captured are relatively stable.

I'd say they're a safe bet for a more stable country in the middle east.

[Oberyn]

Kurds got fucked over by Saddam? Kurds got fucked over by the british mandate, by the hashemite monarchy, by the baathists, by every single government that has been in control of Iraq since the end of british control. Then again they also willingly ethnically cleansed the assyrians when they got a chance to. Just like they did to the armenians in Turkey, the role of kurds in the armenian genocide is often overlooked to focus on the turks being responsable, but when you look at the lands where armenians lived they are overwhelmingly populated by kurds today. There are no good guys, it's all fucked. But I agree that today the kurds are more tolerant of other religious and ethnic minorities in Iraq than any other faction. The Peshmerga allowed and protected turkmen, yazidis, christians, etc.

[Kirman]

Last i checked you did genocide kurds as well as Armenians.

Anyhow.  Problem is. Kurdistan consists of parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria. 4 countries that would have to accept that.  1 which is an Islamic fanatic country.  2 which have broken down into civil wars. And 1 country that hates kurds since pre-Aptalturk.

Either way. They helped Iran against Iraq. They're constantly fighting islamic extremists. They helped USA in the Iraq war. They have women in their military.  And their regions that they've officially captured are relatively stable.

I'd say they're a safe bet for a more stable country in the middle east.

Please do not talk about bets on middle east. US is the only one who fucked up the middle east  by going to Iraq just like they did wherever they go

[Prpavi]

You believe that Armenian genocide? Let me explain you history. It was in WW-I, they have tried to backstab us, they had guns so we gave them their answer. And please do not talk about bets on middle east. US is the only one who fucked up the middle east  by going to Iraq just like they did wherever they go

Wow relax there bro calm your bombs...

[sF_Guardian]

You believe that Armenian genocide? Let me explain you history. It was in WW-I, they have tried to backstab us, they had guns so we gave them their answer. And please do not talk about bets on middle east. US is the only one who fucked up the middle east  by going to Iraq just like they did wherever they go

"Gave them their answer" is a nice way to describe mass-murdering people...

[Kirman]

It was mass-murdering cause it was a war. Ottoman Empire did what they had to do it's that simple...

Edit: Yes i know this one is stupid.

[Molly]

It was mass-murdering cause it was a war. Ottoman Empire did what they had to do it's that simple...