Valour

[Kampfkarotte]

I posted that before the valour got bugged (or before I learned that it was bugged).

Well that's why we had our misunderstanding. I started this thread when it was already bugged..

And I'm not only talking about siege, also valour in battle doesn't work as it used to.

[Joseph Porta]

+1

On siege a lone player can win or lose the round for their team far better than on battle. Valor is to reward the exceptional efforts of players which makes sense in battle - as killing the other team is the objective, if you kill lots but your team fails then it's fair that you get valour. In siege the reward for your efforts should be taking, or defending the flag whether it's by charging in head-first, sneaking in, or holding the gatehouse.

There are lots of ways to help your team in siege, your reward is if it works and you win, in battle the only way to help is to fight.

True true, I hate it when pro players get rewarded for kill farming whilst not even being close to the flag, theyre ussually just picking up lone stragglers around the castles edges without even coming near the clusterfucks and bottlenecks that would actually help the team defend or breakthrough. They do all this in the hope of getting valour and saving their own multiplier, while giving a big middlefinger to their teammates.

The difference between battle and siege is, as you implied, the completely different style of play. Siege in fact has a set objective to capture or defend, whilst battle is in a way just charging eachother, there is no objective one can work towards other then do well, and by doing well I mean killing the enemy players. In the battle environment Valour has its place and encourages the players to do even better. Whilst on siege it only detracts from the objective and allows players to go Rambo and get rewarded for it, whilst the rest of the team is outnumbered and ran over.

Naturally this doesnt happen all the time, but it does happen and it simply doesn't make sense to reward solo play effort whilst the actual team get penalized for it.

[_GTX_]

True true, I hate it when pro players get rewarded for kill farming whilst not even being close to the flag, theyre ussually just picking up lone stragglers around the castles edges without even coming near the clusterfucks and bottlenecks that would actually help the team defend or breakthrough. They do all this in the hope of getting valour and saving their own multiplier, while giving a big middlefinger to their teammates.

You don't always feel like carrying your team, especially since the bottom half of your entire team is not really doing much, other than semi-leeching. Ontop of that it's not really fun having the pressure of carrying an entire team every single round. I want to have fun while playing, and being forced into doing that every single round is not really a joy, because i know my team will lose if i don't. So sometimes you change it and just play like you want, finding small skirmishes.

PS: Just being honest.

Edit: Valour does encourage people to play contrary to what is actually needed, in some cases, but it's also nice to have, since you do have to put in a lot of work to get it. Furthermore, if you kill a ton of people, you still stop them from actually making it to the flag and being a threat.

[Joseph Porta]

You don't always feel like carrying your team, especially since the bottom half of your entire team is not really doing much, other than semi-leeching. Ontop of that it's not really fun having the pressure of carrying an entire team every single round. I want to have fun while playing, and being forced into doing that every single round is not really a joy, because i know my team will lose if i don't. So sometimes you change it and just play like you want, finding small skirmishes.

That is entirely besides the point! My point is that someone gets rewarded for a playstyle that is a penalty for the rest of the team. Not about wether not not you "feel like carrying".

Neither is it about fun in this matter, even without valour you can skirmish around, but you will rewarded for your entire teams effort, not your solo hunting along the maps edges. You are in no way being forced to defend or attack when valour would be removed.

The only thing that would change is that the individual skirmishing player wont be rewarded for being detrimental to the overal performance of the team. Valour wont safe your ass when you are picking up noobs on the castle walls without paying attention to your objective.

Ontop of that it's not really fun having the pressure of carrying an entire team every single round

 this comment is silly - it isnt about the individual wants and needs of a player, it is in this case about the game mose Siege and some systems that are in place that are, imo, detrimental to the overall approach that players take to the gamemode with the current system that is in place.

Since when do you carry on siege? 

[ROHYPNOL]

I like the valor system, when it is not bugged out... Please release the patch so we can get valor regularly again.

[Combaticus]

FIX THIS BULLSHIT

I'M TIRED OF CARRYING MY SHIT TEAM AND NOT GETTING REWARDED

[_Tak_]

Valor on siege is broken, 350 points and still no valor, also valor is broken for all second team. (In battle mode as well).

also don't forget you get more repairs in siege than in battle.

battle is always ruined by Cav, its natural people would like to have some fun in siege

[Arthur_]

DEV LOGIC : HA AND 1H CAV OP, LETS NERF VALOR. GG WP BB

[Royans]

Well atm, u should just add back the old one, and give u time to make something else.
It's actually very frustrating to be on the right ( SIDE ! fu )  team nowadays.

[STR_aD_Sargon_eqv]

I posted that before the valour got bugged (or before I learned that it was bugged).

ok 

slowpoke 

[STR_aD_Sargon_eqv]

DEV LOGIC : HA AND 1H CAV OP, LETS NERF VALOR. GG WP BB

they didn't nerf it. just broke. like everything they trying to change lelelele

[Royans]

Tydeus said its fixed, but we will need to wait chadz to patch crpg.