Heavy Lance is useless.

[Panos_]

It`s slow, you need two thrusts with full speed to kill the average archer and it`s fucking expensive.

The fact that 90% of the lancers out there use lance/light lance proves how much unbalance there is between those 3 lances.


Either give a small buff to heavy lance (stats wise) or decrease its upeek cost

[Teeth]

I think it's the best one. It allows you a much greater choice of targets and much more safety when attacking due to added reach. You know it only has 1p damage lower than in the era in which every single lancer on the server used it? Thought you would enjoy shitting in twohanders faces even when they are fully aware.

[Joseph Porta]

Ithas far more(lol) reach in practice  then all the other lances, it is the ultimate cav tool for extreme safeplay and outreaching. Imo, it is not in any way worse then the lighter lances, probably even better but thats up to your personal preferences. And that is where these weapons are different fom eachother; mostly the speed. The lower tierlqnces allow for more stabs after eachother, whilst heavy lance has a slow stab. (also means it needs btter timing to hit the sweetspot, bc slow thrust)

Dqmage is way higher aswell afaik with the heavy lance, with unloomed Lance Isometimes need to hit something thre times before it dies, though i'm an 16/24(lvl31) arabian warhorse lancer, so my speed bonus is less.

Tl;dr: all lances have a different playstyle that comes with them, conparing them with eachother isnt relevant imo.

Btw: the reason I dont use Hlance is because I like to have quick stabs that go with close quarter cavving, h lance is the ultimate gay tool aswell, just playing it safe.

[Panos_]

weapon length: 175
weight: 1.6
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 175
thrust damage: 27 pierce
swing damage: 16 blunt
slots: 2
Couchable
Can't sheath
4.797


weapon length: 180
weight: 1.7
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 86
weapon length: 180
thrust damage: 28 pierce
swing damage: 16 blunt
slots: 2
Couchable
Can't sheath
5.474


weapon length: 190
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 75
weapon length: 190
thrust damage: 25 pierce
swing damage: 17 blunt
slots: 2
Couchable
Can't sheath
9.702


For almost double the price, you`re getting a lance thats weaker, slower but has better blunt damage 

The reach may be a bit better ( +15 and +10) but your average player can easily counter your thrust with a thrust and basic footwork.

What I had in mind is this, either equalize the prices a bit ( heavy lance should cost 6.5k~) OR give it a speed buff, make it 80, instead 75.

[BlindGuy]

I never play lancer cav at all, literally never, but even I call that thing The Heavy Glance. Give it more dmg or slight speed buff or reduce the price, being weaker and slower and more expensive is too much just for the reach: You will get chambered by any infantry who are aware of you cause its SO slow how can anyone NOT chamber it, and if you do hit them you wont kill them.

[Teeth]

The reach may be a bit better ( +15 and +10) but your average player can easily counter your thrust with a thrust and basic footwork.

Except they can't unless they have a 165+ length polearm or a 125+ length 2h. Provided you don't suck.

[Rhekimos]

More speed on the weapon means the game gives your attacks less speed bonus.

[Joseph Porta]

More speed on the weapon means the game gives your attacks less speed bonus.

But it does allow for more flexible gameplay

[BlindGuy]

Except they can't unless they have a 165+ length polearm or a 125+ length 2h. Provided you don't suck.

Chambering lances is a really easy thing, I honestly don't get why so few ppl do it. You can chamber couches again now also. Combined with the crappy angles, lance cav is so fucking gimped, I'm impressed by everyone who still sticks to it.

[Joseph Porta]

That is because that didnt change anything for them, because all they do is backstab unawares...

[BlindGuy]

That is because that didnt change anything for them, because all they do is backstab unawares...

No way man, in native you can fight pretty well from horseback with a lance, off the side of your horse, fight off the 1handcav, in crpg, 1hcav gets right in behind you, you gotta run away and turn around or lead them into a teammate.

[jtobiasm]

Best lance imo, just watch how Master_cav abuses it.

[Teeth]

Chambering lances is a really easy thing, I honestly don't get why so few ppl do it. You can chamber couches again now also. Combined with the crappy angles, lance cav is so fucking gimped, I'm impressed by everyone who still sticks to it.

And an utterly useless thing unless you have a very light weapon or the horse moves really slow, I like chambering lances but the turn rate restrictions prevent it from actually leading to a hit to the horse. Then chambering lances has the same functionality as blocking them which is much easier. Lance cav is a great class and able to carry teams still.

More speed on the weapon means the game gives your attacks less speed bonus.

I think I have read cmp state that this is not true, though it definitely doesn't seem a myth when I play pike.

[Mr.K.]

Just leave the heavy lance for the good lancers, there are still some of those in the game. Like Teeth said, HL can outreach an awlpiker or a two-hander - something that the regular lance can't do. It'll also win head-on clashes against cavalry every time and is the only lance that I'm brave enough to try and outreach a great lance with instead of avoiding it.

For the rest of us noobs, who can't really figure out how outreach and hit people head on, there's the lance for backstabbing peasants and outreaching onehanders. Perfect balance imo.

[Jack1]

I used to be cav way back when the heavy glance was actually the heavy glance. Since the original buff it was easy for a good lancer to beat anything. If you headshot an archer at full speed not on a heavy horse it is usually a 1 hit as well.