Reverse the gen XP bonus

[Swaggart]

I don't think anyone can argue against that this game is very new player unfriendly. The learning curve is steep and you will screw up with mechanics and builds in the first few gens. However, leveling and generation XP bonus is kinda broken. I think it's very silly that the more you play this game, the easier it is to gain advantages, be it through higher levels or loomed items.

Simply put, reverse the gen XP bonus so that you start with the full bonus, and with every gen you lose 30 XP per tick. This will allow new players to catch up quicker, and it prevents people at gen 16+ (myself included) from widening the gap even further by getting insane high level builds.

I'm not going to write paragraphs about why this change should happen. All you really have to do is imagine talking to a new player, and explain to him why someone who has been playing for years should level faster than him.

[Byrdi]

What would stop veterans from just making a new character that is gen 1 and get the full bonus and then use their looms from their old character on the new one?

[Swaggart]

Nothing. Since I would imagine a lot of veterans would complain, this could be the way to placate them.

Or just make it apply to the main, leave existing bonus for alts.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, it just always seemed silly to me.

[Grumbs]

People should be rewarded for playing, not the opposite.

[Auphilia]

I'd say that gen 1 players should start at level 15 so they can learn the game without grinding for hours and never getting a single kill. When they respec, it should bring them back to level 15 with that many points to spend.

The current system turns a lot of people away from the game. Imagine trying to convince a friend that a game is fun, but they will lose every round for days. Then after those days and they have some levels, they will still lose every round to veterans who are significantly more skilled than them. That cavalry is a peasant's dream and attempting it will result in quick bankrupsy. That putting a skill point in the wrong place will result in 50% of all of their time and efforts wasted. That when they finally get to level 30, they have to do all the experience again just to get to level 31. That the profit of their first loompoint will likely be eaten up by the greedy market manipulators, or they will just be flat out scammed. Oh, and lets not forget to tell them that the game is balanced based on fully loomed items and that their inferior normal items will never be competitively viable, especially not with ranged weapons.

It's no wonder that the people who stick around this game have poor attitudes. No kind and reasonable person would find this game or its community worthwhile.
There isn't much of a welcome here for anyone new to the mod, and especially not new to Warband.

[Swaggart]

People should be rewarded for playing, not the opposite.

You're equating retiring with playing. Anyway, you still get a loom point when you retire.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

I don't see the point, people would just roll new characters.

The entire idea of encouraging retiring is to remove high levels from the pool, this would discourage it even more than the diminishing heirloom point returns at 33+.

Even as a newbie I'd rather have people who were here longer than me retiring than fight level 34+ people all day.

Though to be fair, I only have a few gens on my main because I just roll alts.

[Boerenlater]

New players can just make a stf.

[StonedSteel]

A noble suggestion...but not for me. I spent 6 months of hell being a Warband legend, coming to this garbage and getting shitted on. Only been here a lil over a year, the people who were lvl 33+ are still lvl 33+, and it was fun, you could go to NA 1 and get your ass kicked, and when your done you can go to DTV or Siege.

Now those modes are dead, NA 1 is the only thing left, and with so few players, and team balence the way it is, you have to go 100% try hard or not get rewarded. And your right, i would bitch if i lost my Gen bonus, cuz i worked hard to not get pciked on by high lvl players, i am lvl 33 plate and bec 24-7  and i am just starting be be able to take on other long time high lvl legend of CRPG.

I had a ton of fun on DTV and Siege and even then, getting to where i am now was hell.

New players dont stand a chance, giving them a gen bonus or cash right off the bat, doesnt mean shit, they still wont stand a chance. They have a long way to go, b4 they even get close to a positive KD...and with NA 1 as their only option to lvl up? they wont make it. There are no new players coming, and any one that does, wont last long...

[rebbrown]

There simply is too much power in the hands of the old guard. Levels, looms, gold and then the unquestionable amounts of skill and experience with playing the game. The latter is enough to tip the scales of balance in their favor, but when they also have more stat points and stronger items, it's an uphill battle that will simply kill the game. Slowly but surely, it will kill the game.

To underscore my point, I'll give an easy example: what classes can a first gen character play AND be competitive with? The answer is not horse archer, 1h or lance cavalry, an archer or 1h+shield+throwing weapon specialist. Even being a 2hander is debatable, since you'll lack the skill to compensate the xp+skill+item gap.

What remains is crossbow and 1h+shield. And or a whole lot of frustration. You see a ton of archers nowadays on EU, but they're rarely if ever topping the scoreboards. They're a nuisance that when massed cause some kills, but don't win rounds. I bet they're a reaction on 1) the buffs to ranged/AGI and 2) the inability to compete in other fields.


There's no need to only take from the vets, but some change must take place. Looms themselves should be enough of a compensation for playing the game a ton. Loom points also mean spare gold. Don't add big stat differences to that list - this is what causes the overkill.

[Patoson]

I made the same suggestion and then I realised the consequences that have been posted here.

Have a look at my edited suggestion which I think makes more sense.

[StonedSteel]

I made the same suggestion and then I realised the consequences that have been posted here.

Have a look at my edited suggestion which I think makes more sense.

I get what your saying and it makes sense. However Gen bonus was something that kept me retiring...if i didnt have to reach gen 16 for the max...i would be at lvl 34\5\ OP by now, as i would have stopped retiring a long time ago, probably after my entire set was loomed. But i kept going just to say i was a Gen 16er \ to get that bonus to make it easier to get to lvl 34 and finally be on the same playing field as people that have been 34\5 for the entire time ive been here.

[no_rules_just_play]

Everyone would be lvl 36 in no time

[MURDERTRON]

Make every LP worth of equipment you use take away 1% exp gain.

[Johammeth]

Or people should just be less trolly to new players, and stop singling them out for early round kills to pad K/D.