Buffing Hafted Blades on horseback

[Strudog]

Currently rolling around on Eu1 with a Hafted blade on horseback and all i can say it is bollocks compared to all the other cav, its slow, does very little damage and bounces off pretty much every armour apart from peasants and lightly armoured people.

In all honestly this is what all cav should be like, slow and heavy with a need of sense of timing in order to achieve a kill

Dont forget the inability to bump slash

[Glyph]

Currently rolling around on Eu1 with a Hafted blade on horseback and all i can say it is bollocks compared to all the other cav, its slow, does very little damage and bounces off pretty much every armour apart from peasants and lightly armoured people.

In all honestly this is what all cav should be like, slow and heavy with a need of sense of timing in order to achieve a kill

Dont forget the inability to bump slash

I would love to see Cavalry become more realistic, but the is very difficult to achieve really, for cav to work properly, teamwork is needed to perform a mass charge, which would kill so many people in one, but that isn't really possible because of how easy it is to hit cav, someone with a 1hander shouldn't be able to easily slash someone off his horse, the guy on his horse should have the advantage, and ofcourse the scare factor is hard to implement into a game. Back to your point though!, I do agree that hafted blades from horseback should be buffed, is there a penalty on them for usage on hb?

[Molly]

Wait, isn't your thread title wrong then or did I misunderstand you?

You say cav should be like HB on horse back. So, actually you'd like the see everything else nerfed?

[San]

Checking real quick, it seems to get ~40% damage reduction, hoooly.. It was also fairly difficult to get the maximum sweetspot, often doing 40-50% range of damage instead of 60%.

They could use a considerable buff.

[Riddaren]

with a need of sense of timing in order to achieve a kill

You do need to time thrusts with lances. If you don't you will suck as a lancer.
It became even more important after the -40% speed bonus nerf.

[San]

Isn't melee speed bonus still exponential at 2?

[Palurgee]

I say no to buffing the hafted blades. They're fantastic infantry weapons (fast, long, reasonable damage and a thrust). They don't need to be any stronger, especially on horseback, where they are already very wonky and awkward.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

I think it's odd that they get a bigger damage penalty on horseback than 2h-only weapons, they're already harder to get headslashes with.

If anything it should be a smaller penalty since they're using both hands.

I'm not counting the bastard weapons, which apparently get no penalty from horseback now based on San's tests. It sort makes sense that bastard weapons get a smaller penalty than regular 2h anyway.

[Strudog]

I say no to buffing the hafted blades. They're fantastic infantry weapons (fast, long, reasonable damage and a thrust). They don't need to be any stronger, especially on horseback, where they are already very wonky and awkward.

No doubt that they are very good as an infantry weapon, but try it on horseback, bloody difficult to get the timing right and to achieve kills, i started to do better yesterday evening and topping the scoreboards but all my kills were peasant kills or on foot when i was dehorsed.

You do need to time thrusts with lances. If you don't you will suck as a lancer.
It became even more important after the -40% speed bonus nerf.

See the difference between lancing and hafted blade in sense of timing, lancing just got a buff in timing and it is rather easy to land a hit.

Isn't melee speed bonus still exponential at 2?

PLus the swing is so slow, i am pretty sure you can get 2 1h swings in before the LHB animation finishes

[Switchtense]

Tried it earlier as well.

And yes, it is incredibly difficult.

I used the Long Hafted Blade. Its swings are so enormously slow and do no damage at all. I used 6 power stike and while going full speed with an Arabian Warhorse I did not one hit kill a lvl5 peasant wearing rags. In fact, I bumped him afterwards and he still did not die.

And swings glance most of the time, getting a glance-hit in works OKish, but getting a sweetspot hit in is terribly difficult. During about an hour of playing it, I probably got 2 sweetspot hits in. With 170 wpf.

[Switchtense]

Dont forget the inability to bump slash

Bump slashing definitely is possible, just did it once. But it is a lot harder than with 1h since the weapon speed is incredibly slow.

[Kafein]

Both hafted blades are too strong on foot and ridiculously weak on horse. The riding maluses could probably use some tinkering.

[Switchtense]

Starting to get into it, and I gotta admit that it is incredibly much fun But yeah, the damage output is fairly low, but the low attack speed is somewhat of an advantage in certain situations if you are used to it. So I guess fixing the damage is badly needed, the attack speed is alright. Especially considering wielding a weapon with both hands on horseback is kind of cumbersome.

[Strudog]

Starting to get into it, and I gotta admit that it is incredibly much fun But yeah, the damage output is fairly low, but the low attack speed is somewhat of an advantage in certain situations if you are used to it. So I guess fixing the damage is badly needed, the attack speed is alright. Especially considering wielding a weapon with both hands on horseback is kind of cumbersome.

Have you found the left swing is faster than the right swing?

[Switchtense]

Haven't paid attention to that yet to be honest But will make sure to check next time I play.