Arbalest

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Hello

Random idea.

Arbalest does a lot of damage but doesn't always kill the low armoured dudes which can be frustrating given the reload speed. In addition I feel like I have too much melee capability when fighting with it. Too good on both sides to an extent.

My thought about this is make Arbalest 3 slot, buff damage or projectile speed accordlingly (not by much just a little). Leave the rest the same.

This thing is basically a hand held ballista and was meant to be significantly larger than any other crossbow hence the 3 slots. Plus it would only allow the 0 slot one handed weapons to be used which reduces it's melee capabilites somewhat.

Your friend,

Ouj.

[Quentry]

I think that 3slot will be ridiculous, 2 slot are fine, but I agreed with small buff of projective speed OR damage

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Why would it be ridiculous? It wouldn't change the Arbalest much it would just prevent me rolling with an awesome sword. Making a ranged class more ranged.

[Quentry]

Why would it be ridiculous? It wouldn't change the Arbalest much it would just prevent me rolling with an awesome sword. Making a ranged class more ranged.

If you wanna be a dedicated xbowmen(at least 180wpf) with 18 difficulty arbalest you have to choose between powerstrike and athletics. I think that reduce melee capability of xbowmen a bit

[Rico]

Making it 3 slots sounds fair when you put the difficulty back to 15, imo

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

As someone whose played 8 gens as an Arbalest/1h, I'd say its pretty good at where its at now in terms of damage. If you are sniping with it, yeah you aren't going to 1h people a whole lot of the time but I've noticed that if you shotgun(which if you practice you can get pretty good at) its going to one hit most people not in high tier armor.

[Grumbs]

Xbows should require PD + you can wear too much armour + the game mechanics are pretty poor.

Running & shooting, point & click with fast projectiles and they are too accurate without much WPF. They don't really fit in the scheme of the overall gameplay in cRPG imo

[San]

It's difficult to say what's the best choice. Reduced damage on limbs guarantees that you won't 1shot a guy with >30 armor every time, even with a damage increase.

[Grumpy_Nic]

Xbows should require PD + you can wear too much armour + the game mechanics are pretty poor.

Running & shooting, point & click with fast projectiles and they are too accurate without much WPF. They don't really fit in the scheme of the overall gameplay in cRPG imo

Actually thats not the topic here, read OP again.

I played arbalester for 10 gens or more and with the current selection of 0 slot 1h I think that 3 slots would work just well. By changing its stats it would create a bit more diversity in the xbow category.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

I think a projectile speed/accuracy increase would probably be the handiest buff unless you were to venture into ti_on_agent_hit scripting for special stun animations, which would probably lead to a lot of complaining.

The arbalest's main strength seems to be a flatter trajectory via high missile speed anyway.

[korppis]

Arbalest does a lot of damage but doesn't always kill the low armoured dudes which can be frustrating given the reload speed.

That must be because of negative movement speed bonus then, because I have 51 armor + some IF and arbalest still one shots me most of the time.

IMHO arbalest has too high damage already. It shouldn't kill unarmored guy with one toe shot for example, but it should pretty much ignore armors and deal  solid damage everytime. Sadly the game doesn't support such mechanism. With this current limited system it's propably just as good now as it can ever be.

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

I noticed that a lot as a Ninja as well Sinisstra. Thing is I'm about 3/4 into my first gen as a Crossbowman and I've clocked it just doesn't happen as often as I felt like it did as a Ninja.

What I have clocked is my 1h is awesome so my proposition was to reverse these.

Changing it back to 15 Strength may also work if there are no stat buffs since there will be more WPF available to put into Crossbow giving it a small buff for those levels so it could work.

[Algarn]

I would simply love to see a PD skill for crossbows (Power pull), which would affect a lot reload speed of the weapon. Give in exchange low reload speed for crossbows, which would be corrected with high PP skill. Then, STR crossbow builds would be effective, and people having low PP skill be penalized a bit on reload, since they got 180 wpf in crossbow (max accuracy).

[Huscarlton_Banks]

... but it should pretty much ignore armors and deal  solid damage everytime. Sadly the game doesn't support such mechanism. With this current limited system it's propably just as good now as it can ever be.

It's actually pretty easy to have certain weapons ignore armor entirely, even if you don't use the extra_penetration kludge.

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ti_on_agent_hit = -28.0 #can only be used in module_mission_templates triggers
# Trigger Param 1: receiver agent no
# Trigger Param 2: dealer agent no
# Trigger Param 3: inflicted damage
# Trigger Param 4: raw damage (before being soaked by armor)
# Trigger Param 5: hit bone
# Trigger Param 6: item kind no
# Trigger Param 7: item modifier
# Trigger Param 8: missile item kind no
# Trigger Param 9: missile item modifier
# Trigger Param 10: damage type
# Position Register 0: position of the blow
#                      rotation gives the direction of the blow
# Trigger Result: if set, damage dealt to agent
EDIT: If you get semi-creative with the math, you can even have the final damage result be some number between the raw damage and the inflicted damage for custom penetration values between different weapons. (e.g. trigger result = [raw damage + inflicted damage]/2)

[Ikarus]

Hmm, mixed feelings cause that would finally be the end of me and my arbalest "big bertha"  (can´t handle 0 slot 1h)

on the other hand, I wonder if people would play an arbalest build with a 0 slot 1h weapon...and if it would cause havoc on the battlefield

Yeh, I dunno, you people decide