penalties on hb

[Glyph]

I'm considering using a morningstar from horseback but I don't know what the penalties are for both using it as a 2h from horseback and with a shield, does anyone know?

[PsychoTwins]

Dont worry, it will do more than enough damage.

[Glyph]

Though I like your pun, I would just like to compare my effectiveness statistically

[Switchtense]

Morningstar without shield: One hit kill
Morningstar with shield: One hit kill

Can't get any more effective than that.

[Joseph Porta]

With shield and without both uses 1h wpf, right?

I keep forgetting

[Mr.K.]

With shield 1H wpf, without shield 2H wpf. No malus on either mode, so it does full 41p which is ofc retarded. It can onehit anything but Butan with a single body hit.

[Macropus]

With shield 1H wpf, without shield 2H wpf. No malus on either mode, so it does full 41p which is ofc retarded. It can onehit anything but Butan with a single body hit.

When was 2h_on_horseback damage penalty removed?

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

Stop worrying about it, the morningstar is a full blown cheesedick weapon anyway.

[Moncho]

Oh, the curse of the invisible stickies strikes again. From the game mechanics megathread (bold your exact question, quoted more for completeness):
woops seems like it is outated, my bad

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Melee damage
Damage before armor is calculated by:

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hold_bonus * (WPF*0.01*0.15+0.85)*(power_strike*0.08+1.0)+strength/5.0
Implications:
- Each power strike point is 8% extra damage
- 10 wpf is equal to 1.5% damage. You have a 15% damage penalty at 0 wpf compared to base weapon damage. At 100 wpf there is no penalty or bonus to damage.
- 5 strength gives 1 damage that isn't affected by modifiers.
- Holding your melee strike before releasing it gives you a damage bonus.
--> Holding for less than 0.5 seconds gives you a damage bonus of 5% per 0.1 seconds.
--> Holding for 0.5 to 0.6 seconds gives you a 25% damage bonus
--> After 0.6 seconds the damage bonus will diminish 3% per 0.1 seconds until it's 10% after 1.1 seconds of holding weapon down.
- If you use polearm with a shield or from horseback, you get -27.75% damage penalty
- If you use twohander with a shield or from horesback, you get -23.5% damage penalty if that twohander can be used with a shield (ie has onehander animations). If not, the penalty is -15%.
- Both cases above also have some sort of a speed penalty.

(Thanks to Tydeus for the exact mechanics of hold bonus and CaptainQuantum for the melee mechanics. They can be found also at http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,168722.msg4090900.html#msg4090900)

[Smoothrich]

Oh, the curse of the invisible stickies strikes again. From the game mechanics megathread (bold your exact question, quoted more for completeness):

I asked about this a couple times and San went ahead and did testing with his Damage per hit dev tool and apparently none of that was working as intended, with 2hand bastard weapons doing more than intended damage, and pure 2hand weapons doing too little.. or something. Was kinda confusing. They changed it in a patch I think but I'm not sure how. Either way any horseback weapon does mad damage. Except the Heavy Glance lol

[San]

Yep, no penalty when I checked a few months ago.

Pure 2h: ex. Bardiche: 25% reduction

2h/1h hybrid: ex. Heavy bastard sword/morningstar:
With shield: 10% reduction on foot, no penalty on horse
Without shield: no reduction on foot or horse

Pure 1h: no reduction on foot or horse

Checking lance right now, these were my damages with 30p light lance, 3PS, ~102 effective wpf

in-game damages
On foot stab w/o shield: 39 (expected raw damage)
On foot stab with shield: 35
On horseback with and without shield: 29

So no penalty without shield, 10% reduction as hoplite, 25% reduction on horseback.

[Glyph]

Thanks to all of you!