[Re-Work] Khyber Knife

[Thryn]

Hi there! I was looking at the Khyber Knife and scratched my head a little bit. I've decided to come up with this thread and see what you guys think. I'll keep it as concise as possible and leave the walls of text out.

So, let's start off with some stats:

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Khyber Knife
weapon length: 60
weight: 0.5
speed rating: 108
weapon length: 60
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 26 cut
slots: 0
528 gold

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Hand Axe
weapon length: 48
weight: 1
speed rating: 103
weapon length: 48
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 28 cut
slots: 0
Bonus against Shield
1,010 gold

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Hammer
weapon length: 40
weight: 1.5
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 40
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 21 blunt
slots: 0
Knockdown
589 gold

According to these weapon lengths, the Khyber should be able to block (after all, it's more like a shortsword).

Now, regarding the use of the weapon in a historical context, I found a pretty solid video about the Khyber Knife:

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What I propose (with a tidbit of information on each stat):

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Khyber Knife
weapon length: 60
weight: 0.5 ---> .9 (falls just short of Short Falchion and 1*)
speed rating: 108  ---> 105 (2*)
weapon length: 60
thrust damage: 23 pierce ---> 20 pierce (2*)
swing damage: 26 cut ---> 29 cut  (3*)
slots: 0
528 gold ---> 1290 (Price up, between Short Falchion and Falchion)

1* We'll keep the weight down even though it's historically fairly heavy. It's 4d while the Short Falchion is only 3d.

2* Let's compare to the Wakizashi (which I consider overpriced for its stats):

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Wakizashi
weapon length: 70
weight: 1
difficulty: 4
speed rating: 104
weapon length: 70
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 29 cut
slots: 0
7,553 gold

This will make the Khyber inferior in every way except: Gold, speed rating, difficulty

3* I'm honestly stuck at the cut damage; 29 will outperform the hand axe, but hand axe has damage v shields

If anything, this weapon just needs to have blocking.
Total Buffs v. Nerfs: 3 buffs (blocking, cut damage, weight) against 3 nerfs (cost, thrust damage, speed)

Let's show some love to Middle Eastern warriors :D

Artyem's thread that I dug up:
http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/khyber-knife-blocking/

[Thryn]

reserved for other ideas and

inb4 gmnotutoo buff katana

[Macropus]

It weighs 0.5 kg though, no other weapon of such weight can block.

[Thryn]

It weighs 0.5 kg though, no other weapon of such weight can block.

Some places have the Khyber listed around 2 lb (about .9 kg)
The heaviest I've seen so far is just under 1.25 kg

Can you block with a sickle?

A 60 cm knife with a thick spine doesn't look very much like a .5 kg piece of metal to me.

[Macropus]

Some places have the Khyber listed around 2 lb (about .9 kg)
The heaviest I've seen so far is just under 1.25 kg

Can you block with a sickle?

A 60 cm knife with a thick spine doesn't look very much like a .5 kg piece of metal to me.

Ah, forgot about sicke.
Well yeah, now that I gave it a thought, a pretty legitimate request.

[San]

Sure

[Thryn]

Sure

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[Grumpy_Nic]

Did you just loom one and want it buffed now? 

[Thryn]

Did you just loom one and want it buffed now? 

No

[Killer]

Oh if this happens i don't have to long spear duel vs two archers at the end of the round to win now i can pull out my sidearm THAT CAN BLOCK and use that instead

[Thryn]

Oh if this happens i don't have to long spear duel vs two archers at the end of the round to win now i can pull out my sidearm THAT CAN BLOCK and use that instead

Nope

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[Austrian]

Oh my god, this would be the first time a from me used weapon gets buffed.

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That would be the happiest day of my life

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Will probably never happen tho 

[WITCHCRAFT]

When I was 1H/shielder I had a collection of knives and daggers loomed, including the khyber knife. 30 cut / 60 length / 109 speed is amazing if you have a shield to block with. It has its own little niche between dagger and short sword.

If any of the "can't block" weapons gained the ability to block, I would vote for this one. However, the stats are not bad in their current state. Rarely see anyone using it in-game though.