Iraq falling appart

[Xant]

You'd be surprised. A lot of the people that joined AQ years ago were well-educated middle/upper class. Bin Laden himself, for example. He wasn't exactly some raging retard who grew up in a slum. The ideology is a lot more pernicious than simply retard bait.
Anyways, just look at the post-modern cryptomarxist nonsense so many firstworld "educated" elites swallow so easily. You don't have to be a literal retard to believe in utopian feelgood nonsense. Just a figurative one.

Figurative retards are included in my definition of "poor intellect."

[lombardsoup]

Figurative retards are included in my definition of "poor intellect."

What do you expect from people who blow themselves up for a living?  Genius?

By this point the 72 virgins are rife with herpes

[Swaggart]

Couldn't just go home after killing Saddam.  Years and years of the winning hearts and minds crap ensued.

I understand where you're coming from.  I've also read the Koran and understand its hateful BS.  In fact, the only reason I troll westerners is under the vain hope they understand the threat they face from Muslims.

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What a plot twist!  Suppose I should apologize to Xant

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[lombardsoup]

Stating the obvious

It helps pass the time at work

[Tovi]

The West is partly (fully ?) responsible of the situation in the ME. Who destroyed the Ottoman Empire ? Who destroyed secular states like Iraq, Syria and Libya ? Who placed a king in Iran instead of a democrat ? Who helped the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt ?Who support reactionary Islam states like Saudi Arabia and Qatar ? Who supported Talibans in Afghanistan ?

[Xant]

The West is partly (fully ?) responsible of the situation in the ME. Who destroyed the Ottoman Empire ? Who destroyed secular states like Iraq, Syria and Libya ? Who placed a king in Iran instead of a democrat ? Who helped the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt ?Who support reactionary Islam states like Saudi Arabia and Qatar ? Who supported Talibans in Afghanistan ?

The Middle East is wholly to blame for every bad thing in the West. Who invaded Spain???

[Swaggart]

The West is partly (fully ?) responsible of the situation in the ME. Who destroyed the Ottoman Empire ? Who destroyed secular states like Iraq, Syria and Libya ? Who placed a king in Iran instead of a democrat ? Who helped the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt ?Who support reactionary Islam states like Saudi Arabia and Qatar ? Who supported Talibans in Afghanistan ?

The Ottoman Empire? Are you seriously trying to say that it was some benevolent state as opposed to a ruthlessly expansionistic caliphate?

[lombardsoup]

And the biggest question: why is there a serious discussion on the middle east on a forum for a mod for a video game?

Wondered this for a while shitposting

[Xant]

And the biggest question: why is there a serious discussion on the middle east on a forum for a mod for a video game?

Why not?

[lombardsoup]

Why not?

A period discussion would be more in line with what the game is about.  Modern day?  No point aside from trolling western sympathizers

[Tovi]

The Ottoman Empire? Are you seriously trying to say that it was some benevolent state as opposed to a ruthlessly expansionistic caliphate?

Ottoman empire has its own responsability for joining europeans war. But the new borders were just stupids. That what is claimed, today, by ISIS. So the Sykes-Picot borders are a western responsability. Including the withdrawal of a Kurdistan.
And I don't even speak about Jordania and Israel wich were both promised the same land by the British Empire.

Also, we know it was not just a mistake. Creating borders with no consideration for people living inside will automatically lead to war inside and outside the country. It's exactly the same problem in Africa.Then it's easier to control them and to sell weapons to both sides. French and British are experts in that game.

[Daunt_Flockula]

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Creating borders with no consideration for people living inside will automatically lead to war inside and outside the country. It's exactly the same problem in Africa.Then it's easier to control them and to sell weapons to both sides. French and British are experts in that game.

Bash Tovi as much as you want. But there is a lot of truth in that above statement.

[Lt_Anders]

Bash Tovi as much as you want. But there is a lot of truth in that above statement.

Because, at that time, people were more about splitting countires powers up. Hence Germany(or Russia) lost all the Eastern Europe Territory(Russia gave it all to Germany and Germany got split at Versailles). Much of WWI was about removing the large power blocks of Europe and the Middle East with Territory to other factions. No where, at that time, was the stuff we talk about today, even understood or thought about.

Hindsight is 20/20. We can say, after it's done, it was bad, but at the time, nothing seems nearly as bad.

[Tovi]

At the time it WAS bad. Except for some countries. And borders drawn after WW1 led to WW2. How can you say it was the better thing to do at this time ? But the logic is still the same than today : defend western interests.
Even if it was a bad idea we still defend these borders. Look at Kuwait for exemple. Or even in Crimea.
 Western countries still decide what is good or bad for others. I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a fact.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

Bash Tovi as much as you want. But there is a lot of truth in that above statement.

yeah, there is truth in it but the main problem is that Tovi thinks of 'the West' as it were a single immortal person.