Iraq falling appart

[Xant]

Can't be any better than your fantasies of painting middle eastern countries as being filled with the inbred.  Even your source has a pro west slant

Fantasies? Again, it's research and I provided a source, so it's hardly my fantasy. As for "pro west slant", that means absolutely nothing at all and is just a cheap attempt at discrediting the source while offering no actual argument.

How widely have you traveled the Middle East? I'm guessing you've never been there. Lots of people who have spent the majority of their adulthood in said place can also attest to the massive amount of inbreeding and genetic diseases.

[lombardsoup]

Fantasies? Again, it's research and I provided a source, so it's hardly my fantasy. As for "pro west slant", that means absolutely nothing at all and is just a cheap attempt at discrediting the source while offering no actual argument.

How widely have you traveled the Middle East? I'm guessing you've never been there. Lots of people who have spent the majority of their adulthood in said place can also attest to the massive amount of inbreeding and genetic diseases.

Look inwards to your own country before you go around spreading BS.

[Xant]

Look inwards to your own country before you go around spreading BS.

I accept your admission of running out of arguments.

[lombardsoup]

I accept your admission of running out of arguments.

By all means, keep the middle east wars running for another ten years to save the "inbreds".

[Butan]

I too found the study on consanguinity quite out of context. Ok, its true, so? 
I dont think people with down syndrome and other important genetical defects are capable of handling war, even just soldieering, and being a stupid inbred is not a direct path to religious fanatism. As lombardsoup implied "without sources"  () joining ISIS #1 reason is probably not poor intellect, but you can keep believing that if that saves you some brain cells.

[Xant]

I too found the study on consanguinity quite out of context. Ok, its true, so? 
I dont think people with down syndrome and other important genetical defects are capable of handling war, even just soldieering, and being a stupid inbred is not a direct path to religious fanatism. As lombardsoup implied "without sources"  () joining ISIS #1 reason is probably not poor intellect, but you can keep believing that if that saves you some brain cells.

First of all, the way these Arab fanatic groups are organized (or, as it happens, not organized) being a stupid inbred is not a disadvantage. On the contrary. It's also not a direct path to religious fanaticism, but it sure helps. It's easier to sell it to a retard than to an educated, intelligent person -- obviously.

The #1 reason for anyone joining ISIS is, in-deed, poor intellect. What else could it be? They have no hope of success, they're a fanatical religious organization (and believing in that crap takes a person with limitations on either their intellectual capacity or intellectual honesty, or if you're a real winner, both), many of their acts are plain stupid, the list goes on.

What legit reason could there be for joining ISIS that didn't come to be as a direct result of poor intellect?

[lombardsoup]

First of all, the way these Arab fanatic groups are organized (or, as it happens, not organized) being a stupid inbred is not a disadvantage. On the contrary. It's also not a direct path to religious fanaticism, but it sure helps. It's easier to sell it to a retard than to an educated, intelligent person -- obviously.

The #1 reason for anyone joining ISIS is, in-deed, poor intellect. What else could it be? They have no hope of success, they're a fanatical religious organization (and believing in that crap takes a person with limitations on either their intellectual capacity or intellectual honesty, or if you're a real winner, both), many of their acts are plain stupid, the list goes on.

What legit reason could there be for joining ISIS that didn't come to be as a direct result of poor intellect?

While killing westerners over their corruption isn't exactly sane, there is a silver lining.  ISIS wouldn't exist had the US/EU not fucked around in the middle east for 10+ years.  Never ending occupation has a way of pissing off the indigenous population.

[Xant]

While killing westerners over their corruption isn't exactly sane, there is a silver lining.  ISIS wouldn't exist had the US/EU not fucked around in the middle east for 10+ years.  Never ending occupation has a way of pissing off the indigenous population.

Yes, the Middle East was such a peaceful place before US came and fucked everything up.

Oh wait.

If not ISIS, then there'd be some other just as fucked-up group there now. Always has been (since they killed off their smart people a couple thousand years ago), always will be, until the US stops waging war where the ROE is decided by what Joe Average thinks is proper.

[lombardsoup]

Yes, the Middle East was such a peaceful place before US came and fucked everything up.

You know, without the sarcasm your comment is correct.

[Oberyn]

You know, without the sarcasm your comment is correct.

HAHAHAHAHA yeah you're an ignorant cunt. Where are you from?
Is it really the fault of the "west" that there's still blatant slavery, caste systems and religiously inspired backwards savagery all over the middle east?

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

Is it because of the west that most muslims favour theocratic idiocy, from women in a subordinate position to their husbands to death for apostasy? So tired of you moronic fucking apologists, shitting all over the west and enlightenment ideals. Do you understand that the muslim world is actively hostile to progressive ideals? That they are extremely socially conservative on every single metric? They have more in common with the the farthest of right-wing christian nationalists. In fact, they have more respect for "people of the book" than the bundle of sticks lefties that defend them endlessly with the shield of "islamophobia". The same naive idiots whining about their homegrown reactionaries suddenly lose all sense of rationality when it's applied to "foreign" mores, despite how much more extremist they are. 

[lombardsoup]

HAHAHAHAHA yeah you're an ignorant cunt. Where are you from?
Is it really the fault of the "west" that there's still blatant slavery, caste systems and religiously inspired backwards savagery all over the middle east?

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

Is it because of the west that most muslims favour theocratic idiocy, from women in a subordinate position to their husbands to death for apostasy? So tired of you moronic fucking apologists, shitting all over the west and enlightenment ideals. Do you understand that the muslim world is actively hostile to progressive ideals? That they are extremely socially conservative on every single metric? They have more in common with the the farthest of right-wing christian nationalists. In fact, they have more respect for "people of the book" than the bundle of sticks lefties that defend them endlessly with the shield of "islamophobia". The same naive idiots whining about their homegrown reactionaries suddenly lose all sense of rationality when it's applied to "foreign" mores, despite how much more extremist they are.

The enlightened west needs a decade or two to finish multiple wars?  They're not taking it seriously.

[Oberyn]

First of all, the way these Arab fanatic groups are organized (or, as it happens, not organized) being a stupid inbred is not a disadvantage. On the contrary. It's also not a direct path to religious fanaticism, but it sure helps. It's easier to sell it to a retard than to an educated, intelligent person -- obviously.

The #1 reason for anyone joining ISIS is, in-deed, poor intellect. What else could it be? They have no hope of success, they're a fanatical religious organization (and believing in that crap takes a person with limitations on either their intellectual capacity or intellectual honesty, or if you're a real winner, both), many of their acts are plain stupid, the list goes on.

What legit reason could there be for joining ISIS that didn't come to be as a direct result of poor intellect?

You'd be surprised. A lot of the people that joined AQ years ago were well-educated middle/upper class. Bin Laden himself, for example. He wasn't exactly some raging retard who grew up in a slum. The ideology is a lot more pernicious than simply retard bait.
Anyways, just look at the post-modern cryptomarxist nonsense so many firstworld "educated" elites swallow so easily. You don't have to be a literal retard to believe in utopian feelgood nonsense. Just a figurative one.

[Oberyn]

The enlightened west needs a decade or two to finish multiple wars?  They're not taking it seriously.

That's because they're not "wars". Not in the same sense that WW2 was a total war. The "west" could depopulate the entire area in a few days if the population was bloodthirsty enough to back it politically. In terms of military technology we're so far ahead it's a joke. The only modern military capabilities these countries have is through arms exports from actual developped countries. This wasn't Pakistan or Iran.
Afghanistan and Iraq...the neo-cons really did think they could turn these backwards ass sheepfucking assholes into progressive democratic countries tolerant of their minorities through simple force. They were obviously wrong, as so many people could've told them (and did), and the countries predictably imploded into tribal ethnic cleansing. The "wars" were never about sole military success. The US fucked over Saddam's army in record time. It was a fucking cake-walk. But the US army wasn't designed for occupation and nation-building, which was their objective. And there was no political will to be as horribly repressive as the tribal strongmen that dominated these areas. If the americans had acted even a quarter as intolerant and violent as Saddam they would've had the whole muslims world crying crocodile tears and accusing them of being evil crusaders, not to mention europe calling them out on their hypocrisy.

[lombardsoup]

That's because they're not "wars". Not in the same sense that WW2 was a total war. The "west" could depopulate the entire area in a few days if the population was bloodthirsty enough to back it politically. In terms of military technology we're so far ahead it's a joke. The only modern military capabilities these countries have is through arms exports from actual developped countries. This wasn't Pakistan or Iran.
Afghanistan and Iraq...the neo-cons really did think they could turn these backwards ass sheepfucking assholes into progressive democratic countries tolerant of their minorities through simple force. They were obviously wrong, as so many people could've told them (and did), and the countries predictably imploded into tribal ethnic cleansing. The "wars" were never about sole military success. The US fucked over Saddam's army in record time. It was a fucking cake-walk. But the US army wasn't designed for occupation and nation-building, which was their objective. And there was no political will to be as horribly repressive as the tribal strongmen that dominated these areas. If the americans had acted even a quarter as intolerant and violent as Saddam they would've had the whole muslims world crying crocodile tears and accusing them of being evil crusaders, not to mention europe calling them out on their hypocrisy.

Couldn't just go home after killing Saddam.  Years and years of the winning hearts and minds crap ensued.

I understand where you're coming from.  I've also read the Koran and understand its hateful BS.  In fact, the only reason I troll westerners is under the vain hope they understand the threat they face from Muslims.

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What a plot twist!  Suppose I should apologize to Xant

[Christo]

Oh come on people. These arabs are not Fremen.

hehe