Iraq falling appart

[Oberyn]

Meh, same response as to Berenger.

Not everything that happens in the world is a carefully orchestrated event by shadowy cabals who have godlike control of everything. Only idiots and paranoids believe that.

[Xant]

Who wrote this ?
 Do you want to be led by a computer ?

Stupid because they lake of basic humanism.

You wrote it, my friend.

Meh, same response as to Berenger.

Not everything that happens in the world is a carefully orchestrated event by shadowy cabals who have godlike control of everything. Only idiots and paranoids believe that.

"You know the rule: never assume malice when the facts are consistent with mere stupidity."

[[ptx]]

"You know the rule: never assume malice when the facts are consistent with mere stupidity."

That's why i don't assume Tovi is a KGB agent, sent to make us more dumb.

[MrShine]

Good grief what a mess.  There is literally no right answer to this sort of clusterfuck.

[Tovi]

Actually, the only thing I'd like to know is about Abu Bakr el-Bagdadi. Is he still under US control or not. Because Turkey seems to stop his support to the EIIL.

edit : sorry to use the french acronym EIIL instead of ISIL

[Torost]

The ISIL/ISIS force make alot of noise. nasty massexecutions and random secterian violence.
They show off by killing local police and civilians.

But they can not take on any real army.

Mostly halftrained militiaguys with a core of hardened veterans from other conflicts.

My (highly speculative) guess is that they retreat/crumble as soon as they meet some real resistance.

[Tovi]

The ISIL/ISIS force make alot of noise. nasty massexecutions and random secterian violence.
They show off by killing local police and civilians.

But they can not take on any real army.

Mostly halftrained militiaguys with a core of hardened veterans from other conflicts.

My (highly speculative) guess is that they retreat/crumble as soon as they meet some real resistance.

This is the same group that our foreign minister (L.Fabius) said : "they are doing a good job on the (battle)field."  , in Syria on 2012

A lot of ex-soldier from Saddam Hussein army joined them in Irak. They want to take their revenge.

ISIL is under the authority of prince Abdul Rahman al-Faiçal (Saudi). In may they (the Faisal family) have bought a weapon factory in Ukraine to supply them.

[Xant]

A lot of ex-soldier from Saddam Hussein army joined them in Irak. They want to take their revenge.

What a splendid job those guys did when US invaded.

[Falka]

So... is it going to be new "meanhwile in ukraine" thread?

[Oberyn]

War Nerd nails it imo:
http://pando.com/2014/06/16/the-war-nerd-heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-too-extreme-for-al-qaeda-i-s-i-s/

[Tovi]

That's not the question. Nobody in the world can face the Empire's armada. You can only oppose asymetric fight.


All this sounds similar to barbarian auxiliaries during the Roman Empire. You think you can use them against other barbarians. But one day...

[LordBerenger]

Meh, same response as to Berenger.

Not everything that happens in the world is a carefully orchestrated event by shadowy cabals who have godlike control of everything. Only idiots and paranoids believe that.

Unlike Tore i atleast support a World Elite/Global Worldwide Nation/New World Order.

[Xant]

All this sounds similar to barbarian auxiliaries during the Roman Empire. You think you can use them against other barbarians. But one day...

You clearly do not understand the US in the least. You seem to think it's like Russia, with a Putin-like dictator. It is not. Again: democracy, and a broken one at that -- the leaders do not give a fuck about the long-term effects of the Iraq or Afghanistan war, they just want to get re-elected. Even if they did give a fuck? New people get elected, the country changes course -- it's like a schizophrenic giant, don't assume it has a master plan. And there's also certain things they can't get away with. For example, the American public would never accept what it'd take to wage an effective war, not until there's a massive new terror attack and they'll get mad enough.

[Tovi]

You just do not understand how works the Power in democracy. It's not in the hands of the guy you see on TV.
The foreign policy is mainly decided by the CFR. And their decision and plans must be approved by the Senate. But who cares about these guys as long as you don't see them on TV hmm ?



Most of the ISIS leaders have been formed and employed by NATO in Libya against Khadaffi. Then they were sent (with their fighters) In Turkey to fight Assad. They've recruited european djihadist and some Chechens, Bosniac and Afghans. At this moment, it was a "classic" Al Qaeda commando.
In 2014 they've released some hostages. Those hostages said they've seen some french, saoudi and american officer. Then they retracted their testimony.

The problem with the new Iraq, is that it sell half of his oil production to China, with the help of Iran. Iraq received weapons from Iran despite the US embargo (on Iran), for exemple.
The division of Iraq in 3 parts (CFR/Joe Biden's plan) has been approved by the Senate in 2007.

[Xant]

You just do not understand how works the Power in democracy. It's not in the hands of the guy you see on TV.
The foreign policy is mainly decided by the CFR. And their decision and plans must be approved by the Senate. But who cares about these guys as long as you don't see them on TV hmm ?

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