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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #480 on: September 08, 2014, 07:23:37 pm »
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I don't really understand, I cant see any contradictions

Could you be kind to maybe highlight those contradictions for me  :mrgreen:
I'm not surprised you don't see any contradiction. Feel free to utilize Google, the Internet is full of sources destroying the Bible's logic.
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #481 on: September 08, 2014, 07:28:40 pm »
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I'm not surprised you don't see any contradiction. Feel free to utilize Google, the Internet is full of sources destroying the Bible's logic.

I thought so, there is no contradictions in what I wrote. There maybe someone out there that does destroy the bibles logic but it sure ain't you hotshot  :mrgreen:

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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #482 on: September 08, 2014, 07:29:51 pm »
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Another quote from Sahih Bukhari Volume 5 Book 59 number 369

Narrated by Jabir bin 'Abdullah

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."


http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_5_59.php
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #483 on: September 08, 2014, 07:50:44 pm »
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #484 on: September 08, 2014, 07:55:36 pm »
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I thought so, there is no contradictions in what I wrote. There maybe someone out there that does destroy the bibles logic but it sure ain't you hotshot  :mrgreen:
Most first graders could destroy the bible's logic. Which is precisely why I'm not interested in doing it. If you can't understand such basic concepts I'd have to start from the basics, and explain them at length, and I'm not interested in doing it for you.
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #485 on: September 08, 2014, 08:16:47 pm »
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Are you Abay?

A christian Abay, i have officialy seen it all on this forum. And a lion avatar to boot, maybe Abay is really trolling us
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« Reply #486 on: September 08, 2014, 10:14:07 pm »
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A christian Abay, i have officialy seen it all on this forum. And a lion avatar to boot, maybe Abay is really trolling us

I had a very interesting conversation with an Orthodox Abay on this forum once.

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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #487 on: September 09, 2014, 01:37:03 am »
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Are you Abay?

No I am not Abay lol, Im Australian  :wink:

Most first graders could destroy the bible's logic. Which is precisely why I'm not interested in doing it. If you can't understand such basic concepts I'd have to start from the basics, and explain them at length, and I'm not interested in doing it for you.


Well you failed in what you say a first grader can do lol. And I understand Bible logic more than you I believe  :mrgreen:

But anyway it was good having that discussion with ya mate.

I still stand by my claim the closer you get to the Quran the further you travel away from humanity and god
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #488 on: September 09, 2014, 08:33:09 am »
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I like it when religions are being reviewed and then criticized with real facts. However, I really dislike when people use false facts  to criticize religions like the image you just linked. From what I've seen and read, the only ones believing Taqiyya to mean what the image explained it to be, tend to be far-right-winger's. Not Muslims. The little white definition box in the image is not incorrect about deception and lying being allowed under certain circumstances. But it's taken out of context and twisted.

Now if you look up the meaning of the word and use in Islam you find:

It was quite common for Muslims to be persecuted by the Hejazi tribes in Islam's early days. Permitting Muslims that were caught and forced to renounce their faith, gave them the option to lie and escape persecution.

To conclude: I have read alot about criticism of Islam, and never have I seen serious debaters and websites use this argument. Simply because it's a really poor argument and you end up shooting yourself in the foot. If you want to critisize then do it properly.  And this isn't a rant against you Chosen1, just trying to clarify 8-)




Well Basnak not to step on your toes but Taqiyya is a form of lying which muslims may use when ever they see fit, especially against dirty kafir like yourself. Muhammad and his followers use it all the time in many aspects of life.

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"commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution."

And Muslims are always claiming persecution lol.

But they don't need to be persecuted to commit taqiyya or kitman, take a close read of this from Sahih Bukhari Volume 5 Book 59 number 369

Narrated by Jabir bin 'Abdullah

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."
Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him.
He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."


http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_5_59.php

Take note that Muhammad bin Maslama is not Muhammad the prophet but another of Muhammads followers.
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #489 on: September 09, 2014, 09:19:29 am »
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Look at all these problems in the world...

When will you all realize it is because we stopped sacrificing slaves to Zeus and Mars!

Historically speaking it was back when Hades tricked Pericles to do that failed invasion of Sicily that we entered the "dark age", all other interpretations are just wrong. Why? Because I know this, I read it in a book and spoke to an authority figure that I can't conceive of lying to me or just be  plain ignorant or wrong,

He/she has authority= always right: me trust, flying horse, dead men rising, splitting oceans all true. But One ring to rule them all is just a fairytale...
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #490 on: September 09, 2014, 10:17:49 am »
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I still stand by my claim the closer you get to the Quran the further you travel away from humanity and god
Yep, and same with the Bible.
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #491 on: September 09, 2014, 10:31:23 am »
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Yep, and same with the Bible.

What was your claim though?


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He/she has authority= always right: me trust, flying horse, dead men rising, splitting oceans all true. But One ring to rule them all is just a fairytale...

I think the difference between lord of the rings and something like the Bible would be that the those stories in the Bible actually happened whereas with LOTR's it is but just a fairy tale.

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« Reply #492 on: September 09, 2014, 10:41:26 am »
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Yep, and same with the Bible.

But yeah I will stick by my claim. Cause the evidence that is stacked up against Islam is overwhelming. I have quoted a few of those incriminating verses in the forums here (and thats scratching the surface). Muslims and especially those who are part of ISIS do exactly what Muhammad commanded them to do just as Christians do what Jesus commanded of them.

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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #493 on: September 09, 2014, 10:43:46 am »
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You're obviously too ignorant to get it.

Im not ignorant, Im far from it   :lol:

But I will ask what don't I get?
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #494 on: September 09, 2014, 10:46:59 am »
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What was your claim though?


I think the difference between lord of the rings and something like the Bible would be that the those stories in the Bible actually happened whereas with LOTR's it is but just a fairy tale.
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