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Lawlpike
« on: June 01, 2014, 04:05:24 pm »
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Still deserving of its old derogatory name. One of the few overpowered weapons left.

The ahlspiess had a weakness historically; it was very heavy. Perhaps a speed decrease would be in order?

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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2014, 04:56:51 pm »
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Maybe unbalanced?
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2014, 05:08:33 pm »
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Are we talking about the regular awlpike or the long awlpike? Awlpike was "in fashion" on NA a while ago, but it has been months since I have seen a single player using one. It is still very good, but I am not sure it needs a nerf. Unbalanced might be worth trying, as it could still keep the speed + reach stabby niche that it has. This would just prevent people from running in circles and spamming the stab or feinting between stab/overhead. That looks goofy and unrealistic.

Do many players use it on EU? I don't know if a change would have any effect in NA, because I am serious that I have not seen a single awlpike in months.

If this is about the long awlpike then I don't know what to tell you. It's a balanced compromise between an ashwood pike and a long spear.
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2014, 05:32:44 pm »
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Unless they buffed it lately 2d poles are subpar in general gameplay imo. 2 handers, 1 handers and 4d poles are way better except for rearing horses. Better off overheading than stabbing nowadays unless you are ganking someone
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2014, 07:25:58 pm »
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Unless they buffed it lately 2d poles are subpar [...] unless you are ganking someone

Yeah 2D weapons are awful if you are fighting alone but the reach and devastating hits (thrust or overhead, depending on the weapon) make them shine if you are fighting alongside someone on your team. The awlpike used to be fast enough that you could actually fight 1v1 with it. Now it's slower than the ashwood pike (which in my opinion is stronger than the awlpike's current stats, and sees more use in NA).

Actually, the military fork is the same way. I can duel with it because it's so fast. I'd take it over a battle fork any day, the extra speed makes it much better. And the cherry on top is that you can disguise yourself as a peasant while using it.  :P
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2014, 07:40:06 pm »
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For ganking I feel like I might as well have any 4d weapon (pole, 2 hand or 1 hand). 2 hand and 1 hand stabs are better plus you have 2 extra directions and they're better 1v1. 2d poles usually have pretty bad overheads or they have very mediocre stab/range

The way the polearm stab bounces off things at range and the delay before they will do damage make them pretty weak comparatively imo. The stab seems really bad up close now. Not saying a good player won't do well with them, but they will probably do better and be more versatile with any other weapons.
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 07:48:24 pm »
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They're only good at one thing, but they're so good at it that I am almost guaranteed valor and endless kills as long as there is a good player or two to follow each round. In a pitched fight I can get 3-5 kills in about as many seconds. Stab-kill-turn-stab-kill. Even the best 4D polearms don't have that much power in a single swing.

2D is really good but nobody likes it  :oops:
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2014, 07:51:50 pm »
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Do you mean Awlpike in particular because I don't see that sort of damage with the others. They feel slow and underpowered to me compared to anything else I can use (and I have all 3 WPF at 140)
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2014, 07:57:52 pm »
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The awlpike and ashwood spear are decent, but the longer more specialized 2D (long awlpike, corseque/spetum/ranseur, swiss halberd, english bill) are the ones that I prefer. They suffer heavily if you are forced to fight alone, but can kill many targets in a single hit (8PS, 155wpf here).

The awlpike has very high damage thrusts, but is much slower than most in the 150-160 length group of polearms. It is no longer the godly spammy thing it once was. The polearm turn nerf hurt it more than 4D weapons since you can't just sideswing instead of lolstabbing.
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2014, 08:10:20 pm »
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Stats-wise, it has very high damage, but it's pretty mediocre in all other areas compared to other weapons(swiss, bill, 18x stab weapons). Witchcraft and Grumbs explain it better. The higher damage lets you do some interesting things with it, though. Battle fork could benefit from +1 speed (and similarly the double sided lance).

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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2014, 08:16:38 pm »
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Why not take a Greatsword though and have good reach, damage and versatility? They are good for ganking too. Or for shorter range poles just take a 1 hander and have protection from ranged with high damage and fast stabs and decent reach. I don't personally feel 2d poles have much of place except for rearing horses atm when you could use something better. The stabs just aren't good enough to justify 2 directions with usually a mediocre overhead damage
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2014, 08:29:26 pm »
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Not many use it on EU servers either, Witchcraft. Maybe it is just me who've always found this a ridiculously good weapon, the perfect stabber.

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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2014, 08:41:16 pm »
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Not many use it on EU servers either, Witchcraft. Maybe it is just me who've always found this a ridiculously good weapon, the perfect stabber.

it is. i find its the perfect weapon for everything, the best anti cav weapon imo
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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2014, 06:04:59 pm »
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Awlpike is fine, just the price is weird. How come ashwood is more expensive?

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Re: Lawlpike
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2014, 10:23:27 pm »
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The Awlpike Horror
A film.

Plot Summary:
In the town of cRPGsville, a Masterwork Awlpike enjoys a meteoric rise in success and popularity, but is disgraced when he receives minor nerfs. Outraged, the internet-townsfolk drag the Awlpike kicking and screaming to the old stone bridge, and throw him in the river. As time passes, the Awlpike is forgotten along with his prophetic last words: "I'm still pretty damn good."

Months later, cRPGsville is plagued by an inexplicable rash of murders, all perpetrated with short, fast, stabbing weapons. Now, it's up to the skeptical police investigator, Angantyr, to determine whether these killings are the result of a deranged serial killer, or perhaps the vengeful consequence of the ghostly Awlpike's return.
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