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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2014, 01:29:32 pm »
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Just waiting for when they increase armour str req so people with the 15/24 so they can use their heavy cav won't be able to use armours that look the right weight xD

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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2014, 02:17:48 pm »
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Just waiting for when they increase armour str req so people with the 15/24 so they can use their heavy cav won't be able to use armours that look the right weight xD
There's a difference though.
Raising horses difficulty makes sense because they were OP.
Raising armour difficulty doesn't make sense because it's not OP.
Simple as that.

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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2014, 02:52:55 pm »
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Well, my build was a dedicated cavalry build with maxed out riding and NO athletics, so your whole point is invalid for me. They made my dedicated cav build useless.

If you maxed out your riding skill then you should be able to ride whatever the hell you want anyway, right?
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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2014, 05:34:31 pm »
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People seem to overestimate the damage caused to their builds. It's not really like your build got "destroyed", it's more like you are forced to use lighter horses. Which, of course, could mean one of your looms became useless for you, but hey, didn't that happen before when some items got nerfed heavily? Remember the Danish Greatsword? Did 2h ask for a full respec or get loom refund back then? No.
If you had 5 riding pre-patch, you can now use Barbed warhorse and Padded warhorse which are pretty decent.

Even if the Danish was heavily nerfed, you could still equip the item to your character. Players with ANY mail/plate armored horse cannot use the item they were using before. In fact, they can't use ANY armored horse. If your character is level 32+ and you built it to be heavy cavalry with 15 agi, you cannot be heavy cav anymore. You have to retire or use a full respec. Not just "your item was nerfed." Not just "use a different item of the same type." The respec will let you get 6 riding for light-medium horses, but you cannot play heavy cavalry on your character that was built to play heavy cav.

If my level 34 polearm character was locked out of using the weapons that I built the character for the express purpose of using, I would be pissed. If 1/3 of polearms became impossible to use without a full respec or retiring, I would want to quit.
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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2014, 05:37:10 pm »
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what the fuck grumbs

He has a point. When you compare the current state of the mod to several years ago, it's obvious that back then, pretty much everything used to be stronger than it is now. Roflcoptering pikes, 34p Espada, Arbalests with 15 STR, pierce damage on all arrow types, stun from ranged damage, stronger knockdown, the old heavy cav stats, Looney Tunes Axe, Awlpike Hiltslash abuse, the old Danish... In summary, in the long run, it is more likely that the tears of this community lead to nerfs than anything getting buffed.

Picking OP classes gives you flexibility due to the new idea of partial respecs. Luckily, these are partial and not full respecs, and not in the sense of "a part of the community gets it", but "a part of the build can be modified". So after an OP class became normal, you cannot switch to the next OP class, but you have to stick with what you got to a certain extend. In consequence, there is no migration from master race to master race without exp loss or training lessons, at least, and people are forced to play what they like, instead of playing the strongest of the current meta.
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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2014, 07:21:04 pm »
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No, why?

You know, when you max out a skill, it does NOT matter whenever they raise skill requirement for an item that needs the very skill you maxed out...
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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2014, 07:30:09 pm »
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Hey I'm not gonna bother to read this whole thread because I get the point and anyone arguing against my man WC is just wrong and needs to shut up.

Fix the cav respec.

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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2014, 07:33:18 pm »
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Of course it does. Maxed out means as much as your attribute level (i.e strenght or agility) allows you to put in the skill.
I had 18 agi with 6 riding, and they raised the requirement for my horse to 7 riding.  :wink:

Maxing out means you have raised the level of the skill to the maximum of what the game allows. You did not max it out. You merely raised it to a point that suited you at that time...

Besides, stuff changes. L2adapt or be victim of the change...
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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2014, 08:32:10 pm »
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Yeah, you can do great with 6 riding and medium tier horses. The thing is, if you were heavy cavalry before with 15 agility, you can't be heavy cav unless you respec or retire. If your heavy cavalry character was high level and the only reason you spent all that time levelling them up was to play your dream heavy cav build, you're 100% fucked. That's not cool.
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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2014, 11:39:09 am »
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Well, we got a different definition of what "maxed out" means obviously.
I already adapted to the change, but there are cav players who can't adapt, because they would need to full respec to do so. For me the partial respec worked, although I am now playing a build I didn't plan. But it's ok too. Played two rounds, had 9:2 and 50ish points, so thats enough for me.

Good, glad it worked out.

Dont get me wrong it is not hate or anything, but Imagine my disdain after I triple loomed my long espada and it got nerfed to the ground. My first three looms were wasted completely in one patch, and I wont ever get my looms back.

The thing is the game changes, and you gotta either roll with it, or be trampled underneath the others.
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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2014, 06:48:15 pm »
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It worked out. pffff this community is now not so big as we can have satch a bullshit all the time. when you nerf something now give always a full respec. and of discussion here.  :P

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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2014, 07:42:58 pm »
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Good, glad it worked out.

Dont get me wrong it is not hate or anything, but Imagine my disdain after I triple loomed my long espada and it got nerfed to the ground. My first three looms were wasted completely in one patch, and I wont ever get my looms back.

The thing is the game changes, and you gotta either roll with it, or be trampled underneath the others.

When the long espada was nerfed, you could still equip it. Imagine if you could not equip the long espada or any of the high tier swords, and your character would lose more than 100m experience from respec or retire. That's more than 10 gens' worth. You can trade the horse away, but you can't use any armored horse on that character so you can't be heavy cav on your long-term heavy cav character.
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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2014, 09:55:48 pm »
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The community isn't huge, people put a lot of "work" into their characters - you cannot change an entire class of players so dramatically and only allow a partial respec....

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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
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Re: FIX THE CAV RESPEC, GOOD LORD
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2014, 03:22:20 am »
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Could we just have a free global respec thanks
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