Lance cav angle

[Joseph Porta]

Please increase it, i am forced to backstab and play like a bundle of sticks catching unaware players because I cant brawl with it, its fucking gay and forces you to play even more gay. Not like in native, cause thats next level gay, but just a tad bit more and Instead make the Y angle limited to stab downwards, to prevent bump stabbing, cause thats gay aswell.

Tyvm for your time,

[//saxon]

if increasing the angle lowers cav backstabbing, im all for it.

but i don't think many will stop backstabbing. if anything try to make bump lance/bump slash impossible to pull off like you said.

[Joseph Porta]

if increasing the angle lowers cav backstabbing, im all for it.

but i don't think many will stop backstabbing. if anything try to make bump lance impossible

What do you think about the limited Y-axis? I think this could fix the bump stabbing.

Anyways, you are right, people will never stop backstabbing because they are k:d whoring try-hards. I've now played cav for a while on my alt, and I am seriously fucking bored outta me brain when I play on EU1. The only thing that you can do is wait for an opportunity, get in - get out, and rinse and repeat. I dont understand how anyone even enjoys playing like this, it is just waiting, hitting and trotting off, how boring does it get.

but I really fucking hate it how I am forced to play like a buttfucking toy knight when im playing cav,

[MURDERTRON]

What do you think about the limited Y-axis? I think this could fix the bump stabbing.

Anyways, you are right, people will never stop backstabbing because they are k:d whoring try-hards. I've now played cav for a while on my alt, and I am seriously fucking bored outta me brain when I play on EU1. The only thing that you can do is wait for an opportunity, get in - get out, and rinse and repeat. I dont understand how anyone even enjoys playing like this, it is just waiting, hitting and trotting off, how boring does it get.

but I really fucking hate it how I am forced to play like a buttfucking toy knight when im playing cav,

Backstabbing is the only way to play cav now, since every class can destroy cav if aware.   Before, there was very little a 1her could do, now it's the most forgiving class in terms of timing against cav.

I'd love to see lancing angles tied to WPF, bringing back true lancers.  Right now everyone has around 100wpf in poles and the rest in 2h or 1h, which is hardly coating them anything due to synergies.

[Mae.]

I'd love to see lancing angles tied to WPF, bringing back true lancers.

would be legit.

[Joseph Porta]

Backstabbing is the only way to play cav now, since every class can destroy cav if aware.   Before, there was very little a 1her could do, now it's the most forgiving class in terms of timing against cav.

I'd love to see lancing angles tied to WPF, bringing back true lancers.  Right now everyone has around 100wpf in poles and the rest in 2h or 1h, which is hardly coating them anything due to synergies.

I like that, I like that alot. Just to be sure I dont want the angles to be like native, thats too extreme but a little buff to it would make me very happy.

[Gravoth_iii]

As if its going to reduce backstabbing, its going to make backstabbing easier & safer because you can use the angle to position yourself further to the sides and become harder to hit.

Fuck cav buffs, its the last class that needs buffing. Tired of backstabbing unaware targets so you want to be able to backstab aware people aswell, pfft.

[Joseph Porta]

As if its going to reduce backstabbing, its going to make backstabbing easier & safer because you can use the angle to position yourself further to the sides and become harder to hit.

Fuck cav buffs, its the last class that needs buffing. Tired of backstabbing unaware targets so you want to be able to backstab aware people aswell, pfft.

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What do you think about the limited Y-axis? I think this could fix the bump stabbing.

Anyways, you are right, people will never stop backstabbing because they are k:d whoring try-hards. I've now played cav for a while on my alt, and I am seriously fucking bored outta me brain when I play on EU1. The only thing that you can do is wait for an opportunity, get in - get out, and rinse and repeat. I dont understand how anyone even enjoys playing like this, it is just waiting, hitting and trotting off, how boring does it get.

but I really fucking hate it how I am forced to play like a buttfucking toy knight when im playing cav,

You are very right, thus we need to introduce 50% damage reduction on backstabs fromhorseback.   

[Gravoth_iii]

Reduce all lance damage by 50%, give old lance angles back. Also remove 50% 1h/2h cav damage to create balance between cav classes.

[MURDERTRON]

Well, the issue really is that for a mere 5pts, you can enjoy 90% of the benefits of being cav.  This isn't too much more reason to get more riding than that, since additional PS straight up outweighs the difference in speed bonus difference gained from riding itself, riding faster horses and having more WPF.  The only horses worth riding as non-ranged cav are all 5 riding horses.  However, I believe they are working on something to alleviate some of the problems, mostly such a low commitment to riding.

If you reduced lancing damage any further, the heavy lance would go right back to glance city even at +3.  Perhaps the speed bonus from horseback could be reworked and the base damage penalties from horseback increased, meaning you'd need a higher speed bonus to do decent damage, but also increase the damage ceiling so having more than 5-6 riding would be beneficial.

[San]

Variable lance angles aren't possible. I think slightly increasing the current angle isn't, too, but I can't remember 100% since the focus back then was on variable angles. If variable lance angles were possible, then there was an idea for slightly increasing the angle for heavy lance and scaling to provide better angles as weapon lengths decrease that I liked. Looking at murdertron's post, a mix of weapon length + wpf would have been neat had it been possible.

Murdertron, I do think that you are underestimating the merits of high riding, even though you make some nice points. You can reach knockdown bump speeds very easily and your power is noticeably increased from the speed bonus, although you'll glance a lot if you can't get the speed bonus (ex. when an infantry is backpedaling and you don't time it correctly). Not to mention that at the extremes (9+riding), you can easily chase down HA and other cav at the cost of infantry effectiveness. I think both have their places, even if strength can be seen as overall better because of less points invested and easy synergy with infantry fighting.

[Oberyn]

Nerf heavy cav, buff light cav (dat bias).

[Joseph Porta]

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I can confirm this, i rolled with a 15/21 build at first, at level 30 but I didn't spend all my points because I was not sure wether to go for 18/21 or 15/24 - I went for 15/24 at lvl 31 (5ps,8riding,8ath,3wm((gimped ik)) as it allows me to play FAR more offensive with my Arabian Warhorse. The difference between 5 and 6 powerstrikw on horseback feels like a gigantic gap to me though, but I was willing to sacrifice that in order to play the way I like to play cavalry. Playing with the Lance and Arabian warhorse - both unloomed - allowed me to be very versatile and flexible in close combat with the extra riding skill.

Please dont revert to the native angle, practicly being able to stab behind you is fucked up. If only like 10 degrees on both sides could be added i'd cry with joy.

How did they change it in c-rpg in the first place if it is not possible?

Nerf heavy cav, buff light cav (dat bias).

Heavy cav is truly the most boring thing ever hehe 

[NJ_Legion_Icedtea]

Am I the only one who does not find back stabbing a problem? I even hear cav most of the time coming to me but am just too stupid lazy to face them and attack, then I die and laugh at my own stupidity, maybe we just need to be more aware?
Then maybe we can think about increasing lance cav angle

[Joseph Porta]

Am I the only one who does not find back stabbing a problem? I even hear cav most of the time coming to me but am just too stupid lazy to face them and attack, then I die and laugh at my own stupidity, maybe we just need to be more aware?
Then maybe we can think about increasing lance cav angle

Its not a rage vs cav thread, its a "I am forced into homosexuality" thread