UK peeps, thinking of ever voting in your life? Must see!

[[ptx]]

After Fukishima, the safefty of these nuclear plants are certainly under question.

Yes, i certainly wouldn't want any more nuclear plants in EU, what with all the 7+ magnitude earthquakes and tsunamis that we get.

[Overdriven]

Got an interesting fact: We've never had a bad Green Party Government.

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Ok true for UKIP too, but Green policies better overall

Except the Green party have been heavily criticised over their handling of things in Brighton. I certainly wouldn't want to see them ever become a real contender until they can straighten up their actions there.

It seems to me they spend far to long fighting each other over every little thing without ever implementing anything remotely useful.

(I live in Brighton btw).

From reading this thread it leads me to believe that the UK greens just rant like crazy people... Is that the case?

Pretty much. That and protesting about anything there is to protest about. But then that's just general Brighton/Sussex mentality.

Edit:

In regards to Nuclear power, I have firmly believed for a long time that is the best option for satisfying our power needs at the moment. Wind and solar simply wouldn't produce enough and aren't really that cost effective, and other energy sources aren't developed enough to consider them a viable option to meet an immediate need for energy. For somewhere like the UK, that doesn't generally have extreme weather events or any real tectonic activity, Nuclear really is the most viable course. I simply can't stand the propaganda fear mongering crap that comes from parties like the Green party.

Not to mention they are pretty much against any viable energy source other than wind and solar energy.

Anyway, part of the reason the Green party got in in Brighton was due to the 2 Universities there. 2 Universities worth of students overwhelmingly voting for the Green party at the time in a relatively small city. I seriously doubt they'd get in to many other constituencies as Sussex Uni (where I studied) and Brighton Uni are both very hippy, left wing Universities to suit the general mood in Brighton. A huge portion of the students at Sussex voted Green just because its what you do when your in your hippy student years there, any other's voted Lib Dem (look how that worked out) and the others with their heads screwed on voted for the two parties who we are unfortunately stuck with as the only viable options of running the country at any form of 'effectiveness' even in a limited capacity.

For the Green party or even UKIP to gain power would be a disaster. They simply wouldn't have the structure of capability to cope.

[jtobiasm]

Dunno if anyone has seen this yet but one thing I do agree on is banning the burka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLZSZqEZF8

I think pretty much everyone in my area is going UKIP or BNP.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

Yes, i certainly wouldn't want any more nuclear plants in EU, what with all the 7+ magnitude earthquakes and tsunamis that we get.

I believe he is talking about the Tridents not the handful of power plates. The UK does spend billions on it's nukes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_the_United_Kingdom

"The current Trident system cost £12.6bn (at 1996 prices) and costs £280m a year to maintain. Options for replacing Trident range from £5bn for the missiles alone to £20-30bn for missiles, submarines and research facilities. At minimum, for the system to continue after around 2020, the missiles will need to be replaced.[89]"

Take a look at this https://bze.org.au/

It's Australian spesific but it's doable pretty much everywhere. I used to work for these guys. Pretty impressive stuff.

If we rolled out CST just to power Victoria that would reduces it's cost per kilowatt hour to the same as brown coal. What you have to realise about that is this. Australia pays almost nothing for Brown Coal because we produce something like half the worlds supply. Queensland (where I live) produces 25% of the worlds coking coal... Pretty crazy. When QLD flooded it drove the price up massively.

Another random fact the area flooded during the 2011 floods that shut the mines and ports down was the same size as... Germany and France combined, that was just the flooded area and that was about 50% of the state. We are a big fucking country.

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See what i quoted.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

See what i quoted.

I actually thought you were responding to HESKEYTIME, sorry.

Last time I checked Britian topped out at 8.3 for max potential Earth Quake (I used to study geology at UNI, 2 years of a degree before I gave up). Still, Britians power through neuclear isn't a huge issue.

What I think is interesting is the potential for Spain to become Western Europe's power plant.

[Kuujis]

I believe he is talking about the Tridents not the handful of power plates. The UK does spend billions on it's nukes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_the_United_Kingdom

"The current Trident system cost £12.6bn (at 1996 prices) and costs £280m a year to maintain. Options for replacing Trident range from £5bn for the missiles alone to £20-30bn for missiles, submarines and research facilities. At minimum, for the system to continue after around 2020, the missiles will need to be replaced.[89]"

Take a look at this https://bze.org.au/

It's Australian spesific but it's doable pretty much everywhere. I used to work for these guys. Pretty impressive stuff.

If we rolled out CST just to power Victoria that would reduces it's cost per kilowatt hour to the same as brown coal. What you have to realise about that is this. Australia pays almost nothing for Brown Coal because we produce something like half the worlds supply. Queensland (where I live) produces 25% of the worlds coking coal... Pretty crazy. When QLD flooded it drove the price up massively.

Another random fact the area flooded during the 2011 floods that shut the mines and ports down was the same size as... Germany and France combined, that was just the flooded area and that was about 50% of the state. We are a big fucking country.

YEAH! Getting rid of nukes is cool and cheap! And look around - there are countries who had nukes, got rid of them, received security guarantees and didn't suffer much for that... well... <cough> loosing parts of their territory </cough>... erm... right...  that got bongled up somehow. Shaite.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

The UK won't be anexed by Russia any time soon. That reference is straw manning bullshit.

[Kuujis]

The UK won't be anexed by Russia any time soon. That reference is straw manning bullshit.

YEAH! So glad. Much happy! 

[Leshma]

Dunno if anyone has seen this yet but one thing I do agree on is banning the burka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLZSZqEZF8

I think pretty much everyone in my area is going UKIP or BNP.

If he was British, Panos would definitely vote for BNP.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

If he was British, Panos would definitely vote for BNP.

Panos would be a candidate.

[Kafein]

I really have to wonder how you come to the conclusion that there isn't a viable alternative while blaming misinformation and propaganda on others

For the time being, there is no better alternative. Nuclear is space-efficient, GHG-free, safe, cheap and we are only using one of the oldest technologies right now. Fourth generation nuclear plants will be awesome.

[SirCymro_Crusader]

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[FleetFox]

Yes, i certainly wouldn't want any more nuclear plants in EU, what with all the 7+ magnitude earthquakes and tsunamis that we get.

Haha yeah, but we do get a lot of flooding and any coastal areas are not completely safe.

Anyway for all you Nuclear power lovers check this out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sellafield

It says here that this one site has cost the UK £70 billion, and because I know someone who works on it, I have been told it is way behind its target of decommissioning and will cost many more billions. What a great legacy to have, I'll look forward to more of that in 40 years time when all your nuclear power plants need upgrading/ replacing...

[Overdriven]

'Commission date   1956'

'Sellafield's biggest decommissioning challenges relate to the leftovers of the early nuclear research and nuclear weapons programmes.'

Things have come a long way since then.

Full the full note on the decommissioning problems:

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Sellafield's biggest decommissioning challenges relate to the leftovers of the early nuclear research and nuclear weapons programmes.[106] Sellafield houses "the most hazardous industrial building in western Europe" (building B30) and the second-most (building B38), which hold a variety of leftovers from the first Magnox plants in ageing ponds.[106] Some of the problems with B38 date back to the 1972 miners' strike: the reactors were pushed so hard that waste processing could not keep up, and "cladding and fuel were simply thrown into B38's cooling ponds and left to disintegrate."[106] Some of the problems date back to the original nuclear weapons programme at Sellafield, when Piles 1 and 2 were constructed at breakneck speed, and safe disposal was not a priority. Building B41 still houses the aluminium cladding for the uranium fuel rods of Piles 1 and 2, and is modelled on a grain silo, with waste tipped in at the top and argon gas added to prevent fires.[106]