Longspears and Pikes need a little love

[Strudog]

Just a tiny buff please, either speed, or Dmg, the class is rare these days and now cav dominate EU1.

[Lannistark]

Bring back 360º roflcopter with poles.

[Strudog]

at least you had to be somewhat skilled to use the class.

[Macropus]

Just a tiny buff please, either speed, or Dmg, the class is rare these days and now cav dominate EU1.

Bring back 360º roflcopter with poles.

Well... that escalated quickly.

[Lennu]

Good idea imo, even tho I like being the one holding the longest pole on the battlefield most of the time.

[722_]

the most recent pole thrust changes really seem to have been the last straw with killing off anyone who used these weapons, they just seem to glance way too much now

[San]

If there's an issue with pole thrust, that's not something that changing the stats would do other than alter the internal balance. It's consistent as you trade length for damage, speed, and utility from the pike to the long spear, bamboo spear, long awlpike, ashwood, etc. I believe that cav dominating the server is reason enough to bring one sometimes, assuming its defensive power against cav is still good.

[Grumbs]

1 hand stab was way too quick with long range and 2 hand stab has been a bit too good. But I don't think they should have just done a straight nerf to all stabs when some stabbing weapons only have 1 or 2 directions.

Maybe if they don't want to change the stabs again they could reduce the movement speed penalty with longer polearms, that might make it glance less

[Strudog]

If there's an issue with pole thrust, that's not something that changing the stats would do other than alter the internal balance. It's consistent as you trade length for damage, speed, and utility from the pike to the long spear, bamboo spear, long awlpike, ashwood, etc. I believe that cav dominating the server is reason enough to bring one sometimes, assuming its defensive power against cav is still good.

Yes its still a good weapon against cav, but it lost that advantage when most pole arms were buffed to stop cav, considering now pole arms such as the spear can now stop cav, its pretty useless to bring a longs spear for that purpose, considering how bad it has become against infantry.

[Macropus]

Long Bardiche for example, is a much better anti-cav weapon if we consider "anti-cav" as something that kills it instead of just scaring it and keeping cav players away from you.

PS: bought a Pike recently, need to test it. 

[Kafein]

Pikes and long spears are where they should be in terms of anti-inf.

[Teeth]

Honestly the biggest problem with playing Pike and Longspear is the low amount of players and complete lack of cohesion displayed by melee most of the time. You can sort of duel with a Longspear, but with a Pike getting isolated is usually gg. This used to be no problem as you just stick with the group, but these days there often is no group at all. So you are left sticking with 1 or 2 guys which usually are completely oblivious that both their and my performance gets boosted if they help me out and can desert you at any time or go duel 1 person instead of target switching to save me.

The removal of 'pole freeze' and the tightening of the stab sweet spots made Pike a little trickier to play, but I don't mind. It forces me to be on the ball with my timing and play more careful. Most importantly, it made the weapon harder so I can laugh at all the scrubs failing utterly when trying it and bask in the glory of my own ability. Pike is a great weapon still. Longspear when I first tried it after the sweetspots change felt really gimpy, but I have seen Yaroslav facehug stabbing like the old days and after trying it a bit myself it still works fine. You just need to time it a little better.

What did hurt these weapons significantly, at least the Pike, is the gradual speeding up of the game. Many weapons are very fast now and the stab stun has not been adjusted accordingly. Attacking anyone who is within potential reach of attacking you is so risky as I can mostly not block their attack because I get stunned on hitting almost anything. If these weapons need a buff it is a reduction of stun chance or duration in my opinion. Also, the awkward blocking of a low speed weapon could get adjusted if you ask me, I don't really get how it works mechanically, but god I hate blocking with my Pike.

Oh yeah and on the subject of anti-cav, with the removal of low damage rearing a lone pikeman in a field is an easy target for a horseman. Just go in slow to reduce damage of the first hit and then stab him in the face at close reach while he isn't able to rear you or damage you significantly. With the heavy horses around a pike can stop horses yeah, but hardly kill them because apart from the horse stopping hit, it deals fairly low damage.

[Gravoth_iii]

Remove turnrate nerf!

[Molly]

I have to say No simply cuz Teeth is ripping apart the whole enemy team with his pike whenever I see him playing as piker.

Based on that I have to say instead: Learn 2 play scubs! 

[Grumbs]

Good players doing well doesn't = balanced. Need to compare effectiveness to other weapons with average skill levels. A good player can make most stuff look balanced or OP