Muslims, really?

[[ptx]]

If only people of 'A' belief left people of 'B'-'Z' beliefs alone, including atheists.

I dont defend religious extremism, but atheists who call religion fairy-tales seem like they have a little something to prove. You're all morons if you assume you're the smartest most correct people in the world and your beliefs are more valid and intelligent.

And yes, atheism is a belief, because you are convinced beyond reasonable curiosity that there is not - and cannot be - a higher power. There's no proof, there couldnt be, but you believe it anyway cos you're *right* and it's *common sense*. Welcome to how religious people think my friends, if you ever wondered how they believe what they believe without proof, well it's because it's *right* and it's *common sense*.

You're speaking of positive atheism. That does indeed qualify as a belief, unlike negative atheism.

[Umbra]

Shit, they are on to us! Our atheist cave hideout has been discovered. Quick, stop the secret atheist meeting and burn the documents.

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[Xant]

And it's been argued a few times, Tydeus sums it up nicely here: http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/believe-in-god/msg924556/#msg924556

Only people who want to appear smarter than they are and all hipster-like bring it up. "Ololol ur dum ur atheist u cant PROOV god not exist!!!!!!!!!"

http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/believe-in-god-2/msg927395/#msg927395

[[ptx]]

Well, you can't prove a god of some sort doesn't exist, that much is true. That's why there is negative atheism.

[Prpavi]

This is so ridiculous, so basically you have one group claming something that can't be proven exists and that starts another group that claims it doesn't exist but can't prove it because it's existence can't be proven in the first place.

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[Xant]

Well, you can't prove a god of some sort doesn't exist, that much is true. That's why there is negative atheism.

Just like you can't prove Gandalf doesn't exist. Doesn't mean people go around saying they're "agnostic" on the issue, as in "could be either way." No, they don't believe Gandalf exists, until proven otherwise. Atheists.

[[ptx]]

Not believing he exists does not equal believing he does not exist. I subscribe to the scientific method.

[Xant]

So you don't not believe that Gandalf exists?

[[ptx]]

I don't believe that Gandalf exists. I rather avoid believing stuff.

[Gnjus]

Not believing he exists does not equal believing he does not exist.

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[Xant]

I don't believe that Gandalf exists. I rather avoid believing stuff.

So you would feel uncomfortable saying "I believe Gandalf doesn't exist"? If so, that's ridiculous. And hypocritical - I'm 100% sure you don't follow this same logic in your every day life.

[[ptx]]

I don't follow the same logic IRL, because i have personal beliefs substitute my lack of knowledge. However, i also don't try to push my BELIEFS (< this is the keyword, right here) on others.

And as far as religions are concerned, i'm a nonbeliever, rather than a believer of non-existance - hence a negative atheist.

[Leshma]

If atheism was really a movement, then it would forbid people to use inventions of science until they "convert". I see many religious people using computers, internet, electricity. That's not something that popped out from nowhere after a lot of Hail Mary's. Major problem here is ignorance of religious people and their inability to comprehend anything that doesn't work like the religion they practice.

[Xant]

That's why labels suck.

Passive Atheism: People who know Gandalf doesnt exist and dont spend any time thinking about it/arguing it. *normal 99%*

Your Atheism: The guys who'd spend so much time and effort trying to convince people that Gandalf doesnt exist whilst the 99% say 'Dude, why do you care?'

That is the difference between the Atheism you're trying to define, and the particular type of Atheist you're behaving like. Every Atheist likes to think they're the cool passive one: 'Man, its just obvious... I like... barely even think about it cos its so obvious', but in reality a large number especially in this community spend far too much time caring and thinking and arguing about why Atheism is more intelligent to truly claim they're passive Atheists.

At the point where you care as much as you clearly do, Atheism becomes a belief, you clearly think about it far too much for it to be anything else or simply the 'lack of belief'.

Nope.

You just missed the mark by so much I don't even know where to start. I suggest reading the definitions of negative and positive atheism again, and trying to actually comprehend it this time.

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Is this thread ready for religious youtube comedy yet?.. 11 pages should be enough for a typical cRPG conversation to dry out, so i will take a chance:

the first 2 min are good :)