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new PC
« on: April 23, 2014, 11:19:57 am »
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I usually keep PCs for at least a few years (5+), till they get (seriously) outdated. Well it's been about 5 years (might be more) at least since I changed my PC, so I'm coming up with a new build, that would last at least a few years in the future.

Motherboard MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming LGA1150 ATX     191.09€
Intel Core i7 4770K BOX processor, Haswell      321.10€
Memory Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB 2400MHz DDR3 KHX24C11T3K2/16X 159.85€
GIGABYTE graphics card GTX 780 OC, 3GB GDDR5, PCI-E 3.0 469.72€
Hard drive WD 3TB 64MB 5400 SATA3 Caviar Green WD30EZRX 102.35€
DVD-RW Asus DRW-24F1ST SATA     16.18€
Housing LC ATX midi PRO917B Titus X     70.66€
PSU Silentpower LC6650GP3-650W V2.3     63.85€
Crucial M500 240GB SSD SATA3 2.5'' disk 7mm + 9.5mm adapter     104.90€

Comes at about 1500€. While I do somewhat know what parts I want, I do know pretty little about which hardware companies make quality shit, or what exactly to be careful of.

Any advice is welcome.


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Re: new PC
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2014, 11:22:46 am »
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No SSD? C'mon.
I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing, what have you lost? Nothing!

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Re: new PC
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2014, 11:23:38 am »
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No SSD? C'mon.

Motherboard MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming LGA1150 ATX     191.09€
Intel Core i7 4770K BOX processor, Haswell      321.10€
Memory Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB 2400MHz DDR3 KHX24C11T3K2/16X 159.85€
GIGABYTE graphics card GTX 780 OC, 3GB GDDR5, PCI-E 3.0 469.72€
Hard drive WD 3TB 64MB 5400 SATA3 Caviar Green WD30EZRX 102.35€
DVD-RW Asus DRW-24F1ST SATA     16.18€
Housing LC ATX midi PRO917B Titus X     70.66€
PSU Silentpower LC6650GP3-650W V2.3     63.85€
Crucial M500 240GB SSD SATA3 2.5'' disk 7mm + 9.5mm adapter     104.90€

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Re: new PC
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 11:23:58 am »
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Sry, I missed that.
I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing, what have you lost? Nothing!

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Re: new PC
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2014, 01:22:27 pm »
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It's cool that you have big ass SSD but put some money into that HDD. Get the Red version, 7200 RPM.

Also that case...

Otherwise, mighty fine. I'll wait till end of the year to see will nVidia announce more Maxwell parts. Heard that mid range Maxwell GPU is going to be faster than GTX780.

Are you going to OC? Because unless you want go high with OC, that RAM is kinda redundant. Get some decent closed loop water cooling system for CPU.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2014, 02:36:28 pm by Leshma »

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Re: new PC
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2014, 01:43:57 pm »
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Ditch that RAM, massive waste of money. You can get "slower" 16GB for 50€ less and you won't feel a difference in games. nevermind, looks like RAM prices doubled (wtf?) compared to a couple years ago
Also, the PSU looks like trash. 650W is fine unless you plan to do heavy overclocking or upgrade to SLI, but get a Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, XFX or stuff like that (most are rebranded Seasonic anyway).
« Last Edit: April 23, 2014, 01:50:19 pm by cmpxchg8b »

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Re: new PC
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2014, 04:33:11 pm »
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Your CPU is a K model so you'd be stupid not to overclock it. Get a all-in-one watercooling kit for it, you won't have any temperature problems and it will run more quietly than air cooling. The issue is that you must make sure you have space to put the radiator inside the case.

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Re: new PC
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2014, 05:44:53 pm »
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Thanks for the feedback so far.

Ditch that RAM, massive waste of money. You can get "slower" 16GB for 50€ less and you won't feel a difference in games. nevermind, looks like RAM prices doubled (wtf?) compared to a couple years ago
Also, the PSU looks like trash. 650W is fine unless you plan to do heavy overclocking or upgrade to SLI, but get a Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, XFX or stuff like that (most are rebranded Seasonic anyway).

Yeah PSU is one of the parts I am most worried about as I have no clue which are good and which aren't. I just know that a bad PSU can destroy your PC.

Your CPU is a K model so you'd be stupid not to overclock it. Get a all-in-one watercooling kit for it, you won't have any temperature problems and it will run more quietly than air cooling. The issue is that you must make sure you have space to put the radiator inside the case.

Is overclocking really worth it? You have to realize I'll be using these parts for somewhat long time, and overclocking does reduce the lifetime of a part, doesn't it? What's the performance gain for OCing, I heard they're hardly noticable.

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Re: new PC
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2014, 05:47:27 pm »
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I dont think you will have any need to OC that setup for a couple of years atleast  :wink:
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Re: new PC
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2014, 06:16:49 pm »
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I'd wager that spending half the amount of money in higher mid-tier components now and doing the same in 3 years will have you end up with a better money/performance-ratio.
Considering the still rather fast development cycles of the industry, it seems the better choice to me.

On the other hand, if you got the money right now to spend freely, you'll end up with something really sweet. :)
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Re: new PC
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2014, 06:24:09 pm »
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Yeah PSU is one of the parts I am most worried about as I have no clue which are good and which aren't. I just know that a bad PSU can destroy your PC.

Only the cheapest chinese kungfu PSU can destroy your components. While it's not exactly what you need, LC doesn't fall in that category.

I've read the PC brand as Superflower at first, didn't notice it was actually LC.

Also, 1500 euros is a lot of money. But we live in Europe so we have to pay extra. For little more in USA you can get pretty much the same brand name configuration in form of official Steam Machine (Digital Storm Bolt II).

While we're at it, you should seriously consider different, smaller, more console like case but big enough so system doesn't overheat. Also think about buying Samsung EVO SSD 500GB and completely ditch the HDD. If you want a place to store movies, buy a proper NAS later down the road.

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Re: new PC
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2014, 06:56:34 pm »
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I do know pretty little about which hardware companies make quality shit

try scan bro, they have top customer service last time i used them for stuff.

http://www.scan.co.uk/
« Last Edit: April 23, 2014, 07:00:47 pm by Saxon. »
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Re: new PC
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2014, 07:56:24 pm »
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Is overclocking really worth it? You have to realize I'll be using these parts for somewhat long time, and overclocking does reduce the lifetime of a part, doesn't it? What's the performance gain for OCing, I heard they're hardly noticable.

Overclocking is very easy these days, with basically no negative impact. If you don't do it, better get a locked CPU for slightly cheaper. And the performance gain is actually still quite important, because multicore CPUs are usually sold at very low factory clock frequencies which are more energy-efficient.

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Re: new PC
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2014, 08:00:04 pm »
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CPU should be less important in future games, if we take new and improved APIs into account.

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Re: new PC
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2014, 11:55:28 pm »
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try scan bro, they have top customer service last time i used them for stuff.

http://www.scan.co.uk/

Agreed, but I'm not sure what their service is like outside the UK. Might have export/VAT issues.

Build wise, I have pretty much what you're speccing out. I also made a revised (better) version for a friend.
I agree with what the others have mentioned;

You'll need a decent PSU, around 650W (your system will probably draw sub 500W w/o OC, but it pays to have some headroom and with a decent PSU, you'll probably hit a decent efficiency)

Don't get the WD green HDD (don't get me wrong, it does work, I have one), it's just the cheaper nastier eco version. Red/Black aren't much more expensive, but should pay off in the long run. (Hopefully will last longer :) )

RAM wise, 16gb is quite a lot. I have 8gb and I've never found it to be a bottleneck (I've even run multiple games at once :D). Unless ofcourse you plan to do a lot of rendering or video editing. (Not sure if you've picked a single 16gb stick, 2 x 8 or 4 x 4?)

That SSD sucks, no easy way to say it :p. Samsung is much more reliable (840), EVO being more cost effective and PRO being faster and with a longer lifespan (both have 3 year warranties [Thought it was 7, must have changed]).

Graphics card wise; if you're set on the 780, there are other options. Gigabyte doesn't officially endorse watercooling your card, so if you do that in the future, it may void the warranty. Another option is the EVGA or ASUS who are more lax on it (I think EVGA does endorse it). The EVGA ACX SC would run faster out of the box and is only slightly more, some tests have shown it to run cooler too. Finally the ASUS DCU II, slower out of the box, but with incredible cooling (it's much chunkier and doesn't blow the air out the back, but a good case can handle that) and OCs like a beast (my revised build had this, my friend managed to OC to 1.25GHz and 7GHz effective memory clock).
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/62915-asus-gtx-780-directcu-ii-oc-review-9.html

Wall of text I know :p, one last thing GPU wise; the AMD R9 290(X) with a decent aftermarket cooler are good contenders (though Xfire is still a bit meh). The R9 290 ASUS DCU II and Sapphire TRI X are great (similar temps to the 780 equivalents underload) and tends to OC quite well and it's a bit cheaper than the 780 (should perform almost identically, if not better in some games).
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_r9_290_directcuii_oc_review,28.html

Same for the R9 290X, except slightly more and even faster. (Sapphire TRI X 290X is about the same price as the ASUS DCU II 780 and will outperform)

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