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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2014, 09:02:36 am »
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As we tarry here, a black tide rises in the West (EU). Even as we bandy these empty words, our own EU brethren steel themselves for death--forlorn, broken, alone. From the walls of Tehlrog in the North, to the old spire of Narra in the southern passes, and at all the ancient capitals in between, a fearless, faceless enemy batters the gates. "Kapikulu," "Druzhina," "The Grey Order"--their names are profane, their numbers, legion, and their black hosts march inexorably forward, quenching one by one, the sacred fires of our shared civilization; bringing savagery, ruin, oblivion.

Gentlemen, the lamps are going out all over EU. Shall we see them lit again in our life-times? Turn from your brothers in their hour of need, and the mark of Cain will follow you the rest of your days like the shadow of regret. But, if we muster the great armies of North America, if we unite the clans, we can join an epic, noble struggle, so that when Odin calls you home, you will be worthy of a place in Valhalla. 

Behold!, the beacons are burning!

TL:DR, I think it would make strat more interesting if we supported the weaker clans in EU against the boring megablob EU factions. Just something to do. Maybe we can pick like a random castle in EU, and whichever NA clan takes it first wins a bunch of silver or C-RPG gold or a loompoint or something, IDK.

Logistics aside, I'd rather fight the folks on our own map. Have we become such degenerates that we can only look outward for conquest?

Okay, no speaking about logistics. In Strat 3, which I was barely a part of, it seemed to work, the NA v EU thing. It worked because there were NA clans, notably Hospitaller, in my experence that would work with certain EU clans against other NA clans.

I cannot see it working in this version of strategus. In strat 3, we were one map. Admittedly, my experience is limited since I came in within that last 2/3 of that strat, but there was a huge difference. At that point, we were one map.

Now, we've got extremely limited interest in NA strat. Sure, there are plenty of factions with some members, but what have we done, really? In Strat 4 there were interesting conflicts early in strat, such as Swords with Friends (RIP, not spergy enough for strat), the whole KUTT conflict which was rather multi-facted, the subjugation of Chevalier as an independent clan in the desert.

It was interesting last strat within weeks, or a couple months. Very dynamic. What have we got now? The Astralis+Frisian conflict looked promising to me, but it was anything but promising. It ended far too quickly for my liking, although if a Warden of the North or Squidling came close to our humble fall-back point of tamnuh we'd attack them.

Look at the battles in NA now. 3 days out of the week it is completely empty. Not a battle in sight, not even attacking AFKs. The rest are battles against AI fiefs in which you'll perhaps have good and stiff opposition (the first squids battle against narra was great, looking at the records since apparently I went a .5KD blackout drunk) or perhaps you'll outnumber the AI defenders 1/4.

Shittiest part is, in EU it seems that the UIF or anti-UIF (ex anti-uif it seems) has at least the possibility to fuck with the rosters so the defenders get an abysmal amount of players. In NA, nobody cares anymore. 11 players showing up to defend against 44? I could have made it 12, but I said "fuck that shit" much like everyone else and got the fuck out of my house.

I must admin I'm rambling at this point, but IN CONCLUSION (or some shit like that)

Attacking EU sucks. It really, really sucks. There is maybe an hour in which both NA and EU could have a primetime battle. Still, one side will have a massive ping advantage. Westcoasters can get fucked, but my clanmate Balias plays on NA from Ireland with 110 ping, maybe I'm a bitch.

TL;DR: start some fucking shit in NA, I promise everyone they don't want to fuck with UIF. They take strat more seriously than anyone. I see tons of fiefs specced into straight full-retard mode. UIF won't have any of those. If anyone has a buy fief that is more than 8 price with max prosperity, you're gone full-retard. Our (sadly) sole fief is specced into full-retard, but the man that did it does not play the game anymore, nor does he check any sort of forums. But I still love him because he's been my homie for damn near 7 years. (we touched butts irl) We have to fight one another, let EU burn.

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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2014, 09:04:21 am »
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1mil XP in a full battle was not uncommon at all. Now it's more like 300k MAX in a big battle. People would rather sit in NA_1 than play any strat battles, because, for some fucking reason, everyone has a huge boner for XP.
The same thing for EU...

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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2014, 10:10:58 am »
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I, for one, welcome our new NA overlords! Make it happen! :D
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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2014, 12:27:07 pm »
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if NA would (more or less) unite and support the smaller EU factions to then attack UIF together it would be awesome

UIF would still win hands down but who the fuck cares? it would be funny and insanely interesting, and isnt that what strat should be about?

if you play strat to "win" - youre doing it wrong, 1st doing fuck all will not help you grow and eventually "win", 2nd whats the point in winning? you wont get a medal in the end, a week after strat ends nobody gives a shit anymore anyway so just get your shit together and have fun everybody (eu and na all together) (and guess what - this fun would automatically give you lots of exp, and who would refuse a lot of exp?)
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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2014, 04:36:04 pm »
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I lost the argument because I replied.

You lost the second you took any of that post seriously and sperged out in reply. ;)  Also, sending me a private forum message about it - definitely double loss. ;) ;)
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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2014, 04:55:25 pm »
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strategus should be a game focused on working with each other, such as animal crossing or hello kitty rather fighting each other which seems clearly not to work

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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2014, 05:41:40 pm »
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One of the major problems with this strat, in my opinion, is that it is already 2 months in (I think?) and yet we are still in the 'beginning' stages of strat. People have yet to fully acquire their 'claimed' lands. The fact that there are still AI fiefs is disgusting in and of itself. No one is wanting to fight anyone else when they have to gear armies to fight against AI (which can potentially have a boatload of people show up should people get off their asses). The problem is when attacking an AI fief is you can't simply assume no one is going to show up and just walk on in with only 700 guys against a city with a population of 2000. You need close to 2000 troops, and at this point buying enough gear to at least be even with what the AI provides is relatively challenging. If only this strat (which we all knew would have less interest than previous ones from the get-go) had maintained the voting system, such that every single fief was occupied at the beginning, we could have full-out wars already.

The best thing we could probably do to get things going is to no longer sign up for AI defense... and no, I am not simply saying this because my faction has got a fief attack coming up. It's simply too much of a roadblock right now, having to worry about taking the fiefs that "belong to you." I mean the Wardens of the North aren't about to march an army down south to grab Dhirrim before LCO does, it would make no sense. And probably same goes for Gforce or LCO marching north to grab Sargoth... why do it when you couldn't hope to hold it for any amount of time, and you have to spend that army grabbing your own fiefs? Dhirrim has been claimed by LCO, and I don't see anyone actually stopping them from eventually taking it or somehow taking it before they do... so why not just let them have it so we can all grow quicker and actually fight each other instead of continually having these lame, uncoordinated, underpopulated, AI fief defenses? Then again, if we ever managed to sign a "Please Don't Sign Against Us in AI Battles" pact, I bet there would still be nerds trying to get around it, using pseudonyms and the like, and we would be back to square one. RIP Strat 2014.


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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2014, 05:48:04 pm »
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i heard rumours that there will be a group of brave heroes wandering to NA soon trying to turn the whole "nothing is fucking happening"-situation around

but its only rumours and not to be taken serious as of yet
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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2014, 06:16:29 pm »
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I welcome NAs to EU (i'll backstab anyone if it means we get an EU/NA war), or preferably EUs to NA. I'd rather lead an exodus to NA cos we have a rather bad case of the plague in Europe, the entire desert has it, and most of the western half. The problem with plague is, if you try and fight the plague-ridden, you get the plague too.

I predict the plague will spread creating more plague-fiefs, so i'd rather find sanctuary with our NA overlords on the east-side of the new world, just incase the west side gets some plague too.

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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2014, 09:24:49 pm »
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I'm afraid i must decline your generous offer on this particular occasion, i only pledge myself to NA overlords in the event of an EU invasion.

Until then i will imitate Moses and build an arc to save my people on their perilous journey to Egypt. But i'm sure once the promised land is reached we can consider some kind of agreement.

Do you even Bible bro?
1. Noah built the Ark, not Moses.
2. Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, not into Egypt.
3. He also died before he got there.
4. The only promised land is the city of Houston, Texas. Gosh.

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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2014, 09:57:23 pm »
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the age where organised factions rule shall vanish
vadals and barbarians and raiders will rule the world of calradia once again!
over are the days of free caravans
over are the days of treaties
over are the days of parties wandering through the fields
over are the days of feeling safe
no one is safe
the savages will yet again rise and drive the land deeper and deeper into havoc and chaos

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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2014, 10:27:49 pm »
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The problem with NA Strategus at the moment is that the large clans like MB, Occitan, Acre aren't attacking other factions, only AI castles, and noone cares about signing up for random AI because theres no chance of winning (ok maybe you can defend a fief 1 battle, but then they take it right after so it achieves nothing) really it would be a whole lot better for everyone if those factions would stop giving out spoilers attack eachother instead of other AI but obviously thats never gonna happen. Until all the AI castles are taken everyone should just get used to  and deal with it for a few months because the Big Factions aren't gonna change what they are doing.
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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2014, 10:49:36 pm »
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Would be a fun idea that unfortunately wouldn't work. Most high skilled mercs would prefer to stay in NA_1 and carry a 5x (10x with this double xp-ish) than deal with 200 ping and fkhead EU shitlord complainers.

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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2014, 11:01:10 pm »
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No one's mentioned how fucking ridiculously difficult it is to put an army together nowadays. An army that cost 100k last strat now costs 400 fucking thousand silver to fully gear. 400 thousand. Fucking Christ on wheels, dude.

For DRZ and Grey Order(not picking on you guys just making a point.) that's no big deal, they're extremely well organized and have a very centralized leadership (assumption) with plenty of veterans. For just about every single clan in NA, this, along with crime making low S&D a necessity makes buying equipment (and even just trading) much more difficult than, in my opinion, it ought to be. Attacking anyone at this point isn't even worth it anymore if you take in take in all the time needed to build an effective army and field it as opposed to how much fun that battle will be.

TL;DR- I'm a buttmad strat nerd who is angered at Donkey team's changes to both the S&D system (crime) and scaling up the prices, leading to strat just not being worth the effort anymore.

Also, Artyem: Assuming you're talking about Wardens doing EXP battles, that's not even close to set in stone. I'm not going to let EXP battles be our only goal in strat, because that's boring and lame and not even worth the effort, unless you're Murdertron and hide duped gear in your asscheeks.
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Re: The First Crusade (Seriously, let's invade EU).
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2014, 11:41:19 pm »
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No one's mentioned how fucking ridiculously difficult it is to put an army together nowadays. An army that cost 100k last strat now costs 400 fucking thousand silver to fully gear. 400 thousand. Fucking Christ on wheels, dude.

For DRZ and Grey Order(not picking on you guys just making a point.) that's no big deal, they're extremely well organized and have a very centralized leadership (assumption) with plenty of veterans. For just about every single clan in NA, this, along with crime making low S&D a necessity makes buying equipment (and even just trading) much more difficult than, in my opinion, it ought to be. Attacking anyone at this point isn't even worth it anymore if you take in take in all the time needed to build an effective army and field it as opposed to how much fun that battle will be.

TL;DR- I'm a buttmad strat nerd who is angered at Donkey team's changes to both the S&D system (crime) and scaling up the prices, leading to strat just not being worth the effort anymore.

Also, Artyem: Assuming you're talking about Wardens doing EXP battles, that's not even close to set in stone. I'm not going to let EXP battles be our only goal in strat, because that's boring and lame and not even worth the effort, unless you're Murdertron and hide duped gear in your asscheeks.

All these reasons you're giving are reasons why this is going to be awesome.
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