Current Balance: are you happy?

[Nightmare798]

Nope, I am pissed the fuck out. First I had to play my shitty shielder class, and when It finally got buffed, my laptop broke down. FUCK THIS CRAP.

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

Fix 1h stabs. Don't nerf 1h cav, nobody in NA even plays it. Make shields more effective against ranged. Nerf morningstar on horseback. Get rid of shield penetration for crossbows.

[Algarn]

Fix 1h stabs. Don't nerf 1h cav, nobody in NA even plays it.

Come on EU1 at prime time, try to play archer for 2 mins, and try to stay alive.

[Nightmare798]

Fix 1h stabs.

THERE IS NOTHING TO FUCKING FIX!!!

1H stabs are as broken now as every other stab in this game ever. Besides, devs specifically stated that the 1H stab buff will NOT be reversed.

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

Calm down. They are broken.

[Nightmare798]

Calm down. They are broken.

That is however your opinion...

[Gurnisson]

Come on EU1 at prime time, try to play archer for 2 mins, and try to stay alive.

If you are half-decent it's no problem. If you're bad, you'll die like him ^

[BlindGuy]

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Link dont work dude pls come back ts soon sing me sweet songs.

Back OT: I aprove of thread being moved I guess since theres plenty QQ.

Went thru thread, +1'd all ppl making good points (I dont agree with them all but they are good nonetheless), this is good thread now with 2 pages woot:

My opinion incase I didnt get it thru properly in my sleepiness last night: I dont wanna see anything nerfed just many more things buffed.

Also would love a slight increase to WPF "spill" between melee classes, so if you split completely evenly you get slightly increased returns.

Also I would love to see knockdown on practise lance, even if its SUPER LOW, cause if somehow you manage to get couched by that, it should knock you on your bottom.

EDIT: LOL the OP is my most downvoted post that Ive ever gona back and noticed. Hue hue hue why so mad ppl? :D

[Prpavi]

I don't play anymore so yes I'm happy ^___^

[Algarn]

If you are half-decent it's no problem. If you're bad, you'll die like him ^

Decent at using the tilde instead of shooting ? It's a choice to not use it, and I see most cavs that kill me, I'm aware of them, they just bumpslash me in a fraction of second, don't say I'm bad because I get 1 hit by 1h cav. I'm bad sometimes since I miss arrows, or do a wrong block in duels (still manage to do at least in most cases 1.5:1 k/d, so no, it's not about being bad or not).

(By the way, did try lancer a round, 22:4 with a level 30 without any loomed item, game is balanced, mkay.., did 1 or 2 hit people with a light lance whereas I kill people with 4 arrows from a longbow usually).

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Chamber of tears material

[Kafein]

"guys I did 50:0 on flat random plains with fog no polearms and no ranged cav is so OP nerf it"

[San]

Could be better, but there are limitations over what could get changed. Hoplites are a little off and most likely pikemen, too. I still think IF is bad compared to other skills. I'm not behind every single change 100%, but with good compromises, changes are progressing satisfactorily. I was away from town for a week during the last patch, so some of those changes came as a surprise.

[Teeth]

Hoplites are a little off and most likely pikemen, too.

What do you mean with off? Too strong? Hoplites got hurt bad by the latest patch, I can still do really well but it is just incredibly unreliable and frustrating for me to play right now. The more difficult stab sweetspots and the removal of the slight polearm stagger makes people get in your face pretty badly. Doing any stabs at less than perfect reach is very risky and I can't seem to grasp how to make it work consistently. Pole stabs have gotten more difficult to use accross the board. I found the longspear pretty bad and the two directionals that are left are much trickier to use, however they still allow you to kill about 12 people in 3 seconds and the awlpike is still laughably overpowered. The effect of these patches is really noticable on the server, there are barely two-directional polearmers or hoplites left, while they literally swarmed the server before. Which in turn seems to have turned heavy cav in a bit of a plague on EU. Stabbing at short distances is simply a lot harder and I get loads of weird glances, which is a good thing I guess.

The pike however was literally never able to stab at very short reaches anyway and feels pretty much the same to pre-patch. Pike is a much better weapon now relatively and might even be the most effective support polearm. Which is good cause it was my favourite anyway, just afraid that I am gonna lose my niche.

[Sniger]

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[BlueKnight]

I am not satisfied with high S-speed. Buff 'W' slightly and decrease 'S' speed slightly. I think that fighting should be more about mouse fighting than keyboard fighting. Maybe if it had additional reference to the weapon type/length (with some exceptions) it could work. I just wonder if it could be done without nerfing 1 vs many too much.


Also the amount of arrows in the bag is huge seriously and I'd like to talk about it.

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Currently I'm running with unloomed bodkins and unloomed rus bow 21/21 build. I have 30 arrows and I think it's a lot. I run out of arrows sometimes but even when I do, there is plenty of arrows everywhere anyway. I think we should have 3 bagsizes of each type of arrows. 1 of them would take only 1 slot, the second one would take 2 and the third one 3 slots but you would only have 1 'black-square' in the equipment screen where you could place your arrows and equip them (for example only in 4th square on the right side at the bottom of the eq screen). Possibility of putting arrows at any other square-place in the equipment would be gone. This would mean that an archer could go some sort of setup like:

Bag's size:              Slots:              Arrows (example+3 Bodkins):             Weight:     
small                        1                             18                                              low (5-6?)
medium                    2                             28                                                 14-15? 
large                        3                             45                                                 22-26?

The idea is that you can only take 1 bag of arrows. The less arrows you have in the beginning, the less you have in the end of the round. Kiting is most common in the end of the round when most cavs are dead and fa..ranged player hardly faces any threats anymore. If by the end of the round archer has ~0 arrows then there is no fear that he's going to kite. Even if he has a few arrows left he's going to pew max few times and he's out of arrows. Anyway kiting no-rise, variety goes up, moar possibilities!

Best solution would be a dynamic balance with game updating amount of arrows and weight based on amount of players on the server but this is out of reach right?

Lower amount of arrows would also wake up some other types of arrows and get them in use, especially that tatar arrows got relatively better lately since ranged have lost their 'additional penetration' on piercing projectiles. This means that you would actually have all possible combos of amounts of arrows, slots taken and weights of arrows without letting archers kite. This could also fix the amount of arrows which is insane atm.

Amounts of arrows and weights of bags are all to be balanced by someone etc. This is just an idea of a different system which could allow archers to run with smaller bag weight and yet prevent kiting (used to be EU disease)

IMPORTANT: PD should only allow you to shoot shiet from bows but you shouldn't need PD to pick up a bow. It would come handy when archer is running away and drops his bow, you could just pick it up so the archer can't come back for it. You could pick it up but couldn't attack with it, not sure if it's doable but would be great.