Piercing and fair playing

[ADCS]

Why do Power Strike do only 8% damage more?
Look.
Somebody do every stats in strength (like me ), in power draw it's look like 30lvl-13lvlpower draw 13*14=182%damage more.
Long bow-33 +8 tatar arrows = 41
41 *182% =41 +41 +33 =115 damage
Nobody with 13 power strike and with weapon like persian battle axe don't do damage like this
then bow do more damage than sword?
Look normal arrow don't kill
But if arrow hit in the chestplate then don't kill too.
I just want to tell you it's don't normal.
And not fair because before warrior go to archer he shoot him 2-3/4-5 times.
With that stats and that damage we crush the best shield in 5-6 times
Warrior always must do more damage.

PS: Please add piercing.
I'm thinking about hitting few men in one attack, because
then it's better for fighting and it's like that in normal life.



1 hit-5 deads

[Okkam]

Also. it would be fair if every PS will deplete your active wpf in every melee style.

[Miwiw]

Nobody who has any idea of this game would ever go 13 pd. That is not even a smart idea and the maths you do are stupid in that case.

@Okkam: No, that would destroy the idea of AGI/WM and wpf. If you want wpf in every melee, then you need to get a lot of WM and choose a high agi build (as sair does for example).

[Sniger]

so you say playing range is fairplaying?   

[HarunYahya]

This game is fucked up.
Favors Agiwhores only.

STR Based infantry build :

Pros:
Has high health pool , forgives mistakes
Hits good

Cons:
Moves slow,easy target for ranged.Can't dance like agi bitches
Can't pick targets due to low movspeed
Can't backpedal and spam
No element of surprise
No speed bonus on hits = reduces your damage output heavily
Low attack and block speeds

Agi based infantry:

Pros:
Hits good (Although has lower PS,speed bonus and 198 wpf compensates for the loss)
Can pick targets
Can move out of danger zones easily
Hard to target for ranged and cavalry
Can use element of surprise and can easily abuse speed bonus.
Backpedal+spam = WIN
Far more easier to get out of gangbang situation due to high movspeed,block and attack speeds.
Far less repair costs i mean huge difference !

Cons:
Not forgiving mistakes,if you miss a block or fail to use footwork ggwp.


TL;DR:
If you are skilled infantry,you should use AGI based builds because it is far more superior to STR . STR builds are very good at forgiving mistakes but you make those mistakes because you lack speed for most of the time. As a STR crutcher %99 of my death reason is trying to spam an agiwhore and fail.

I strongly dislike the current system. It feels retarded to see people swinging gigantic shits like they are made of foam,moving in heavy armor like hussein bolt yet that's the game we have.

My primary build is 24 str - 18 agi and i realized 15-27 longsword spammer deals fairly the same damage as i do because he can literally "couch" his sword with 9 athletics lol !



I wouldn't like if they add cleaving to this game. Hitting multiple guys with a swing... It's really hard to balance and it will cause shitloads of teamkills and shit. No need for that , skip it.

I would like to see some buffs to STR though.
Str = Strenght = Power of a man right ?
More power should result less WPF penalty for wearing high tier armors , this would balance this game a bit more i think.
I mean a tough saxon guy can handle the weight of an armor easier than a thin korean lad.(Using stereotypes to make you visualise it,not for racism don't get it wrong like a retard.)

[Tzar]

Why do Power Strike do only 8% damage more?
Look.
Somebody do every stats in strength (like me ), in power draw it's look like 30lvl-13lvlpower draw 13*14=182%damage more.
Long bow-33 +8 tatar arrows = 41
41 *182% =41 +41 +33 =115 damage
Nobody with 13 power strike and with weapon like persian battle axe don't do damage like this
then bow do more damage than sword?
Look normal arrow don't kill
But if arrow hit in the chestplate then don't kill too.
I just want to tell you it's don't normal.
And not fair because before warrior go to archer he shoot him 2-3/4-5 times.
With that stats and that damage we crush the best shield in 5-6 times
Warrior always must do more damage.

PS: Please add piercing.
I'm thinking about hitting few men in one attack, because
then it's better for fighting and it's like that in normal life.



1 hit-5 deads

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[Macropus]

As a STR crutcher %99 of my death reason is trying to spam an agiwhore and fail.

So smart, lol.

[Miwiw]

As a STR crutcher %99 of my death reason is trying to spam an agiwhore and fail.

That must mean you do never die actually? Because spamming others with a str build is more than fail... Especially if you know the enemy has lots of agi...

[Gravoth_iii]

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This game is fucked up.
Favors Agiwhores only.

STR Based infantry build :

Pros:
Has high health pool , forgives mistakes
Hits good

Cons:
Moves slow,easy target for ranged.Can't dance like agi bitches
Can't pick targets due to low movspeed
Can't backpedal and spam
No element of surprise
No speed bonus on hits = reduces your damage output heavily
Low attack and block speeds

Agi based infantry:

Pros:
Hits good (Although has lower PS,speed bonus and 198 wpf compensates for the loss)
Can pick targets
Can move out of danger zones easily
Hard to target for ranged and cavalry
Can use element of surprise and can easily abuse speed bonus.
Backpedal+spam = WIN
Far more easier to get out of gangbang situation due to high movspeed,block and attack speeds.
Far less repair costs i mean huge difference !

Cons:
Not forgiving mistakes,if you miss a block or fail to use footwork ggwp.


TL;DR:
If you are skilled infantry,you should use AGI based builds because it is far more superior to STR . STR builds are very good at forgiving mistakes but you make those mistakes because you lack speed for most of the time. As a STR crutcher %99 of my death reason is trying to spam an agiwhore and fail.

I strongly dislike the current system. It feels retarded to see people swinging gigantic shits like they are made of foam,moving in heavy armor like hussein bolt yet that's the game we have.

My primary build is 24 str - 18 agi and i realized 15-27 longsword spammer deals fairly the same damage as i do because he can literally "couch" his sword with 9 athletics lol !



I wouldn't like if they add cleaving to this game. Hitting multiple guys with a swing... It's really hard to balance and it will cause shitloads of teamkills and shit. No need for that , skip it.

I would like to see some buffs to STR though.
Str = Strenght = Power of a man right ?
More power should result less WPF penalty for wearing high tier armors , this would balance this game a bit more i think.
I mean a tough saxon guy can handle the weight of an armor easier than a thin korean lad.(Using stereotypes to make you visualise it,not for racism don't get it wrong like a retard.)

No bias here.

[Kafein]

TL;DR:
If you are skilled infantry,you should use AGI based builds because it is far more superior to STR . STR builds are very good at forgiving mistakes but you make those mistakes because you lack speed for most of the time. As a STR crutcher %99 of my death reason is trying to spam an agiwhore and fail.

Laughing at this so much here. You just said you are mad because you can't just spam people and win ? Really ?

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

hahaha stupid thread is stupid.

[HarunYahya]

That must mean you do never die actually? Because spamming others with a str build is more than fail... Especially if you know the enemy has lots of agi...

I never mentioned that Im a smart man .

Laughing at this so much here. You just said you are mad because you can't just spam people and win ? Really ?

I never said Im mad neither .

Im not a hater , been playing this mod for far enough to try every possible build (Including agi whores) . My conclusion for current situation is , agi builds are far more superior to str builds now.

If you disagree , please tell me why without hating and posting bullshit ?

[Afina]

Why do Power Strike do only 8% damage more?
Look.
Somebody do every stats in strength (like me ), in power draw it's look like 30lvl-13lvlpower draw 13*14=182%damage more.
Long bow-33 +8 tatar arrows = 41
41 *182% =41 +41 +33 =115 damage
Nobody with 13 power strike and with weapon like persian battle axe don't do damage like this
then bow do more damage than sword?
Look normal arrow don't kill
But if arrow hit in the chestplate then don't kill too.
I just want to tell you it's don't normal.
And not fair because before warrior go to archer he shoot him 2-3/4-5 times.
With that stats and that damage we crush the best shield in 5-6 times
Warrior always must do more damage.

PS: Please add piercing.
I'm thinking about hitting few men in one attack, because
then it's better for fighting and it's like that in normal life.



1 hit-5 deads

my char have 15PS and for 1 kills need 1 hit

[BlindGuy]

Why do Power Strike do only 8% damage more?
Look.
Somebody do every stats in strength (like me ), in power draw it's look like 30lvl-13lvlpower draw 13*14=182%damage more.
Long bow-33 +8 tatar arrows = 41
41 *182% =41 +41 +33 =115 damage
Nobody with 13 power strike and with weapon like persian battle axe don't do damage like this
then bow do more damage than sword?
Look normal arrow don't kill
But if arrow hit in the chestplate then don't kill too.
I just want to tell you it's don't normal.
And not fair because before warrior go to archer he shoot him 2-3/4-5 times.
With that stats and that damage we crush the best shield in 5-6 times
Warrior always must do more damage.

PS: Please add piercing.
I'm thinking about hitting few men in one attack, because
then it's better for fighting and it's like that in normal life.



1 hit-5 deads

Yes get 13 PD and see how great it is

Mechanics understanding you must get.

[Miwiw]

I never mentioned that Im a smart man . I never said Im mad neither .

Had to give you a + for this post!
Anyway, I do of course agree with you, that the latest patch buffed agi builds a lot. If we say that an agi build is 21 agi+ while being on 15 str or less, and str builds are the other way round, the agi builds probably have far more advantages. Even with low ps, you could pick a weapon that deals extra damage to high armor rating and with 4 or 5 PS you will still deal a lot of damage plus you can do many hits anyway if you're able to out spam the heavy str guy.
I rather play str builds myself, I was 24-15 as 2hand for ages, but that was before the patch happened. During that time I played a 21-18 shielder and wasn't satisfied with my speed compared to other players.
Now I'm on a 18-21 pole (21-21 to be) because I simply would never go below 18 str but now at least 18 agi are needed for enough wpf imo.
Str certainly needs some buff (see "raise str requirement for heavy armors" topic in Suggestions).

However I quoted you for that part where you said that you die 99% of the times you spam someone, don't think that's weird at all with your heavy str build. Spam only works if you got a spammy build and weapon. And not even every time then.
Warband's combat system actually doesn't really support spam, at least not if your enemy knows how to play.