Make the 'Spear' One Slot, and Why.

[Eugene]

Wouldn't be such an issue if it still couldn't rear horses.. 

[BlindGuy]

The spear compared to almost every other 2 slot polearm (most notably long axe, iron staff, long war axe etc) really show that the spear really lacks a lot of "oomf" that most 2 slot weapons, and even most one-handers have. The reach really isn't great when compared to the bonus' of 1h/2h animations.

But... WHY are you comparing them as if they fill same space?

Spear is spammable, usable effectively with shield, rears horses, light, cheap.

Iron staff: More pricey, heavier, a massively overpowered duel and gank weapon, but cannot rear horses or be used to great effect with a shield: Yes yes, we have all used all the staffs with shield at some point for lols, but it is not a serious choice, especially since the knockdown tweaks.

the axes: cannot rear horses, cost much more, cannot be used with shield.

Your begging for an improved screwdriver, and your argument is that hammers are better at putting nails in....

[Eugene]

Arguably, anything is spammable. I personally don't believe in it - just a rage term by feintwhores who aren't half as convincing as they look. If both parties aren't retarded, they should go hit for hit usually.

Secondly, item price is a joke nowadays as upkeep means diggity squat. Besides, spear is almost 4K, which is kinda similar to iron staff, hafted blade etc?
Thirdly, can't any pole >100 reach rear horses now? (I'm unsure bout this)

I still say the qtr staff is just as good, as it's faster, swings harder, is longer, and has knockdown, which kind of cancels out the more damage the spear gets on the thrust.

[imisshotmail]

The BEST parts of the ACS is how I can stun someone endlessly and get tripple head damage AND stop horses with it. Wait no, thats the spear still... Tard. Prices are same too....
 There should be a minimum game mechanic understanding and player skill requirement for forum access I swear to Armagam.

The ACS is one of the best weapons in the game at the moment (without a shield even). and you are a really fucking bad player so I don't expect you to understand it.

[Kaoklai]

There should be a minimum game mechanic understanding and player skill requirement for forum access I swear to Armagam.

I'd be willing to put up gold that Fabio shits all over you.  Why not have a friendly wager duel, first to 7 for 80k or something- sound good? 

Don't be scared, homie. 

[San]

I could see this if the military fork gets buffed so it's not completely useless.

[Ujio]

Take the 1/4 staff for example, it's got 2 more reach, but a little less weight. (0.2). Or the military fork, which has more weight and the same reach?

That's one way of doing it. The other way would be to make the weapons you mention have the
same amount of slots as the Spear.

[BlindGuy]

Arguably, anything is spammable. I personally don't believe in it - just a rage term by feintwhores who aren't half as convincing as they look.

Dude spammin is hitting out of turn before your opponent can get a hit in. If you dont believe it, try to fight with a maul vs a shortsword: if the short sworder has over 150 WPF he can easily force you to block continously unless you have really nice footwork.

[Osiris]

As far as i can tell from the weights in the shop only 5 shields (Heavy Board, Steel, Huscarl,Long pavise and Fur Covered Shield) are still two slots unless i missed something. So 1h shield and spear is usable with every other one

also i suggested it before and i think others have too. Never seen a reply from anyone in power and not much discussion

http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/spear-suggestion/msg649275/#msg649275

[Eugene]

unless you have really nice footwork.

L2P Issue.

I don't care if you think there's "spam" or not, that's not the issue this thread is about. If you think it's too fast to keep up with, go share your opinion in the Chamber of Tears as nobody else seems to have any issues with it.

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That's one way of doing it. The other way would be to make the weapons you mention have the
same amount of slots as the Spear.

It's one way of thinking about things, but I personally don't think it's really very fair on Polearms, as it woukd really nerf a lot of the hybrid melee builds out there, which would only promote the use of non-melee builds, no, also would ruin a lot of players builds — thus, further damaging a declining population.

[Kafein]

The Spear is way too good to be 1 slot.

Also using the term "feintwhore" is equivalent to admitting your opinion is worth nothing.

[Eugene]

The Spear is way too good to be 1 slot.

Also using the term "feintwhore" is equivalent to admitting your opinion is worth nothing.

Hey everyone, get a load of this guy

I never said it's a bad weapon, I just believe it's just as good as some of it's one-slot counterparts.

Feintwhore (adj.): A player who has a very large reputation of feinting all the time, who gets hit as everyone knows his playstyle, who then rages and blames spam. Usually drops a phrase like "spam more kid".

[Kafein]

Feintwhore (adj.): A player who has a very large reputation of feinting all the time, who gets hit as everyone knows his playstyle, who then rages and blames spam. Usually drops a phrase like "spam more kid".

Oh okay. Your use of the word made me think you were one of these guys that rely on wildly swinging large pieces of metal disregarding what their opponents are doing as a measure to compensate their inability to block.

[Sniger]

as a huscarl user i find it a little bit annoying and completely unrealistic that im not able to wear a sidearm (any!) as well as spear. i also understand why this is not possible, doesnt make it less annoying though

perhaps make ONE of the spears (idc which) a 1slot hoplite spear and for example lower the damage and/or remove the horse stopping? (what is this feat called? the horse stopper? :p)

wtf mili fork is 1slot since when lol awesome im a noob

[Osiris]

military fork is one slot