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Offline Faermar

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Looking for solid archer build
« on: March 05, 2014, 05:43:30 am »
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Looking for something really strong at the moment for my second gen character. About to retire my first one which is a PA character whose build I screwed up, any suggestions?

Would like to be able to do something in melee while still being really powerful with bow.

Also would like suggestions for what gear to run armor/weps etc.

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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2014, 06:14:57 am »
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The standard archer build is

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Level:           30

Strength:        18
Agility:         21

Skill to attr:    8

Ironflesh:        3
Athletics:        7
Power Draw:       6
Weapon Master:    7

Archery:        all wpf
using cRPG NewGen calc

Since you want to be more powerful and have melee skill, I suggest

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Level:           30

Strength:        24
Agility:         15

Skill to attr:    8

Power Strike:     5
Athletics:        5
Power Draw:       8
Weapon Master:    5

Archery:        all wpf
using cRPG NewGen calc

As a little sidenote, I think that the 18/21 build is terribly bad. The damage is fine, but you are too slow with 21 agi at this quiver weight. If you ask me, archery becomes playable somewhere between 18/27 (lvl 35) and 18/30 (even higher, consequently this build is a theoretical concept only).

24/15 is even slower than 18/21, and I wouldn't be happy with it at all, but it is up to you. Unless you are highlevel, going archer with melee is terribly bad, but that's up to you as well... As long as you don't combine archery with a shield, you are bad, but not totally lost. If you feel like playing the way you described, go for the 24/15.
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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 06:16:21 am »
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Oh, and unless you have 27-30 agility, there is no way you can run from anything
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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 07:18:47 am »
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Well I don't mean like super melee heavy. Like able to block relatively quick and possibly kill low geared enemies with 1h, not strength heavy at all

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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 07:20:32 am »
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Basically want to be very archery heavy with like less than 70 WPF in 1h, I just want to be capable of blocking and maybe dishing out a hit here or there.

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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 07:38:33 am »
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You don't need anything spent in wpf or ps to block and dish out an occasional hit. I carry the 0 slot hammer or the 1 slot maces with me and do just fine as 18/21 or 21/18.

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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2014, 09:00:16 pm »
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All at level 30:

Speedy:

18/21 - 6PD, ~170WPF, ~6ATH and some PS.

Good for retiring at lvl 31

Hard hitter:

21/21 - 7PD, ~170WPF, 3ATH, no PS

Gain more ath at level 31

High accuracy:

18/24 - 6PD, ~184WPF, 3ATH, no PS.

Gain more ath at level 31
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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2014, 09:05:49 pm »
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Build Ive used for several gens but is more geared for lvl 32 retirement or never retiring at all is

18 str
21 agi

50 in one hand
161 in archery

6 power draw
6 power strike
7 athletics
7 weapon master

Only problem is you sacrifice some durability and become a super squishy archer; but its just more incentive to block more.
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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2014, 09:25:33 pm »
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lvl 30
str: 18
agi: 21

PS: 3
Ath: 7
PD: 6
WM: 7



lvl 34
str: 18
agi: 24

IF: 1
PS: 6
Ath: 8
PD: 6
WM: 8

This is what I consider the best and what worked quite well for me. Examples of high-str archers using melee effectively are rare (only Merc_Algarn comes to my mind). Although something like 21-21 should work quite well too.

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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2014, 11:21:53 pm »
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I'd really advise you to go for 18 str, for the damage output.

Since the recent armor buff, having only 5 PD feels a bit weak.


Please note that as a new archer, you'll have a very hard time killing thoses archers :
-lv 34+ archers, with 1 more WM, since firerate and precision will make a difference most of the time
-archers with nomad bow, who abuse the superior missile speed of low tier bow, and will aime for that headshot, when you don't expect them to release so soon


Also, to those saying you'll do fine with 1 wpf in melee, i'd still advise to have something like 70 wpf in your weapon of choice.
I personnally have 5 PS and 75 wpf in 2h, and i really do feel the difference. Though i'm weaker against dedicated archers, i really like this opportunity of just going rambo in melee.

My lv32 atm build (aimed for lv33)

15 STR
26 AGI


5 PS
5 PD
8 WM
7 Athl

75 wpf in 2h
171 wpf in archery

Even if you know you can't outrun infantry with a bow, having athletics helps against cavalry, and when you dropped your bow to fight in melee.


Good luck out there, and... don't try to win in a regular "archer duel" against lv35 dedicated archers. It's too much of a pain.
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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2014, 03:42:13 am »
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Good luck out there, and... don't try to win in a regular "archer duel" against lv35 dedicated archers. It's too much of a pain.

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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2014, 03:58:05 am »
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lvl 30

24/18

8 pd
6 wm
6 ath

155 wpf in archery

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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2014, 03:59:14 am »
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Build Ive used for several gens but is more geared for lvl 32 retirement or never retiring at all is

18 str
21 agi

50 in one hand
161 in archery

6 power draw
6 power strike
7 athletics
7 weapon master

Only problem is you sacrifice some durability and become a super squishy archer; but its just more incentive to block more.

I have this almost exactly but with 54 melee wpf and 160 archery wpf at lvl 31 on an alt.

I like it and it would definitely work for retiring at lvl 32.
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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2014, 11:49:44 am »
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http://forum.melee.org/guides/archery-guide-fo-new-players-by-steevee/

Have a look in here, maybe you will find some interesting things for you :)

And as Bulzur said, you will have really hard time if you will try to shoot against hi lvl archers, but don't forget that hi lvl is not giving them immortality, they are still dying if they gain enought dmg :)
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Re: Looking for solid archer build
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2014, 09:57:29 pm »
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but don't forget that hi lvl is not giving them immortality, they are still dying if they gain enought dmg :)

Says the archer with 51 body armor, not even counting the gloves. :P
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