Does anyone else think horse price scaled too hard?

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

A destrier alone is 2,150 silver. That's as much as 60+ armor loomed plate. I thought most of the complaints about prices in the last strategus were about upper tier equipment like plate, steel picks, flamberges, armored horses, etc, in every battle. In my opinion a destrier is like the standard horse to a cRPG cavalry player, neither heavy or light, and affordable in NA_1.

My opinion on horse pricing is that destriers should be a bit cheaper than they are, but the heavy horses can still be as expensive as fuck like they are now. You're nerfing cavalry in strategus hard, and I feel like it's going to be several months before I can even think of playing my class in battles. I feel like horses didn't rise in price on a scale that discourages heavy gear but allows normal/slightly light gear, instead all horses just rose super high because of the formula that was used to raise prices this strat.

[Kalam]

Destriers are heavy, as far as I'm concerned. o.o

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

I mean, I used to think that the rouncey was a pretty average horse but ever since the charge change/nerf months ago it has felt like a rouncey can't even fucking knock a person down unless if you are going full speed head on at them. God forbid if anyone is next to them, you lose all your momentum on the first person and get stopped on the second. It's awful. If it weren't for that, I might consider the rouncey the normal horse.

[KaMiKaZe_JoE]

Oooh good I won't be able to play this round. Fuck cav bunch of shitty baddies.

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

If the third option on this poll doesn't win I'm going to be really bummed.

(click to show/hide)

fug :DDD

[Keshian]

Its like strat 2, you are fighting people in light armor not plate, so yes the rouncey does serious damage.  Also, you buy a bunch of rouncies and only 1 or 2 out of 10 horses you buy is a destrier or other warhorse for your elite cav.  And yes horses will run out and cav will have to fight on foot.  You will have legitimate tradeoffs and shortages unlike last strat and will have to make hard choices.  Buy cheaper weapons and armor so you can buy more horses may be your choice.

[CrazyCracka420]

Destriers are heavy, as far as I'm concerned. o.o

In NA1 or EU1 where you can just spawn on another horse in a couple minutes, sure.  In strat, they are not (when you're trying to stay alive on that horse for an hour if you can).  Armored horses are the only heavy horses.  Starting at Barded horses (which are pretty weak in strategus battles). 

I didn't stay long enough in a fief, and won't be in one for another 15 hours or so.  So 1 destrier, literally costs as much 60 of "plate" body armor?  That can't be right...

I agree they should be expensive if the heavier armors are a lot more expensive...(having heavy horses vs light armor is pretty OP). 

But GK makes a good point about the ridiculous ability of "light" horses (like the rouncey) to run over more than one person.  If you try to run over 2 people who are closer than 5 feet apart, your rouncey will stop in place. 

[Dach]

We're playing peasant war for a while, so get used to it!

And yes a rouncey is a basic horse probably more used for sport or travel, it's not a war horse. So don't expect them to go trample over rank of peoples. 

[Bryggan]

Wikipedi says this about destriers:

"A good destrier was expensive. 7th century Salic law gives a price of 12 solidi as weregild, or reparational payment, for a war horse, compared to 3 solidi for a sound mare or 1 solidus for a cow. In later centuries destriers became even more expensive: the average value of each of the horses in a company of 22 knights and squires in the county of Flanders in 1297 compares to the price of seven normal coursers.[13] The price of these destriers varied between 20 and 300 livres parisis (parisian pounds), compared to 5 to 12 livres for a normal courser."

Still, its hard to play cav effectively without a 75% chance of getting your horse killed.  If you run around then go park it at your spawn point (or some other safe-ish spot) when its nearly dead will it still be considered killed at the end of the game?  Or is it considered gone once its taken out of the inventory?  The bad thing about that is you'd have about 25 wounded horses wandering around your spawn point.

[imisshotmail]

It's fair that a Destrier is so expensive, every army is going to have mass rounceys anyway for speed bonus, so cavalry will always be able to use those and with a rouncey you can easily do better than melee players even if it isn't a good horse by any means. Horses being expensive is fine now that you can select certain people to use certain gear, a good player on a warhorse can do very well and pay for the cost of that horse multiple times over, them being expensive is only a problem if you have bads using them which of course is solved now.

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

I honestly don't think half of the community wanted this rubbish with assigning equipment to players. The devs increased micro-managing when I think on the whole the community wanted it lessened.

[Lt_Anders]

Horses should be balanced a bit more on strat.

[MURDERTRON]

Kind of a shitty mechanic because any horse that spawns is automatically counted as dead, so you lose whatever % of them anyway.

[PhantomZero]

I honestly don't think half of the community wanted this rubbish with assigning equipment to players. The devs increased micro-managing when I think on the whole the community wanted it lessened.

They may have increased micro managing but only for battles, and this is something i've been looking forward to for a long time. Too often people just take whatever gear they want, despite leaders saying "HEY DONT TAKE THAT PLATE!"

This plus anonymizing battle rosters goes a long way to increase the ability to hire mercs rather than relying on your own soldiers. Maybe not helpful for large clans but small ones that can't make up the entire roster every battle benefit from this the most imo.

Horses are a force multiplier and are pretty shitty to use with things like ladders on the ground and wooden stakes. Alone, horses are pretty easily hard-countered.

[Keshian]

Thing is pikes and long spears also frihtfully expensive and most of the longer polearms.  So most of the hard counters to cav are nonexistent or very rare in most fights.  So rouncey riders will have more free rein than you hing.  Stakes will almost never appear until people have more discretionary funds.