Any polearm with pierce thurst can rear now (discussion)

[CrazyCracka420]

What do you guys think about the new rearing mechanics?  Basically any polearm with a pierce thrust/stab can rear a horse.  Supposedly you need to land a decent hit on it (glancing won't rear them).  I like that glancing won't rear, but I think now that anything with pierce stab can rear, it's going to make cavalry quite a bit more challenging.  Especially in strategus when it was already pretty brutal to try and charge through enemy infantry ranks (when they are clashing with your infantry, so you can bump them down for your teammates).

I think that lowering the polearm length to 130 would have been better than 120 (from 141), which is every polearm with a pierce stab.   

Lowering to 130 would have allowed these weapons to rear horses now (poleaxe could already rear at 141):

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And these would not be able to rear (the only polearms with pierce stab/thrust that couldn't):

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But now all the above two image weapons can rear horses.

I think that's too much.

[The_Pony_Spencki_and_Dana]

+1 for your picture 

[CrazyCracka420]

I think 135+ would have been a good start too (before going down to 130 length).  If they made it 135+ length could rear (instead of what it used to be, 141) that would still allow 3 more weapons to rear.  (Spear, Military Fork, and Long Bardiche)

Basically I think going from 141+ lengths to 120+ (all polearms with a pierce stab) was too drastic.

[Utrakil]

I wonder if all the 2h in polemode can rear horses now?

I always liked the idea to have to decide wheter you go for a anticav or a meleepole.

[Lactating Vegetables]

Short spear can rear from what i have seen, though may be different on non dtv

[Jack1]

It's 100+ length now. Any half swords rear horses as well.

[Tzar]

What do you guys think about the new rearing mechanics? 

Gheey.....

[Ikarus]

glancing won't rear them

glancing can also rear horses from time to time

Yeh great, as if lance cav isn´t already close to extinction, all hail 1h cav -.-
how about reducing the frigging range of 1hcav? They still have an attack range of about 300° on their horses (they can´t attack people who are standing at the very front of the horse)


I´d be cool with that, but people will still keep bitching about cav. They just don´t know how hard and expensive this stuff is x[

[CrazyCracka420]

It's 100+ length now. Any half swords rear horses as well.

Haha wow...that's ridiculous.

So weapons that are as long as my Knightly Arming Sword can rear horses if they have polearm mode.  Lame.

I think 130/131 or 135 would have been a better place to start.  Going from 141+ length rearing horses, to anything over 100 with polearm mode that has pierce thrust/stab, is way too drastic.

Let me repeat in another way...weapons that are as long as my 1h sword can rear horses.   

[Jack1]

Haha wow...that's ridiculous.

So weapons that are as long as my Knightly Arming Sword can rear horses if they have polearm mode.  Lame.

I think 130/131 or 135 would have been a better place to start.  Going from 141+ length rearing horses, to anything over 100 with polearm mode that has pierce thrust/stab, is way too drastic.

Let me repeat in another way...weapons that are as long as my 1h sword can rear horses.   

IMO it was for the better being that as lancer cav I can make any I the new rearing weapons have zero chance. If your a good enough lancer the change should have no effect while the bad cavs will start having trouble. I also like how it is a mega nerf to bump cav who go after infantry.

[Sanxus]

Today playing on EU1, I be like: "Great Sword stopped me?" Maybe it is a way out in some way to balance, but the problem with "OP cav" is that many players don't look around. But when they do, u fckd, cuz damn bastard sword (101 reach) can rear...

But, if the yolo stab would be in some way nerfed, then why not, but the problem still is the swagy thrust that u can turn 180 degree and rear, especialy on strat battles it's fckd up.

// Who da faa... edited my post in this way? And why? Stupid badmins...

[CrazyCracka420]

I still think it's a pretty drastic change, now half swords can rear horses, as well as bec de corbins.  Something else to look out for on the battlefield, and inches me that much closer to making all rearing polearms neon hot pink (since devs apparently don't care).

/disclaimer, I'll never be that lame as to color rearing weapons neon hot pink...
//they'd totally be neon green.   

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Can you imagine strat battles now jack?  Were you ever the type of cav to recklessly charge into the enemy infantry's main formation when they clashed with your friendly infantry?  I swear it was always 50/50 whether I'd get reared or not (that might even be lying to myself, it might have been worse chances to get reared).   Now with weapons like a bec or great sword (or longsword) in the mix, it's going to be impossible to be tactical about it, just going to have to close your eyes and hope for the best.

[Rhaelys]

If you get reared by a shortened spear or an estoc in polearm mode you honestly deserve to be reared.

[CrazyCracka420]

If you get reared by a shortened spear or an estoc in polearm mode you honestly deserve to be reared.

When I'm riding through a group of 30 infantry in strategus, I deserve to get reared because one of the guys has an estoc or bec de corbin? 

I agree if you're on the open plains and 1 v 1 against a bec...I'm referring to attacking groups of infantry.  Or if I go to assist my friendly infantry and someone has a bec it's going to affect me.  I don't think that means I'm bad cav or should have seen it coming.  I just think that it is going to cause a lot more horses to get reared that otherwise wouldn't, and force cavalry to be even more gimicky and badstabbing (rather than trying to assist friendly infantry). 

I just think that it is a pretty drastic change to go from 141+ length polearms rearing horses, to anything 100+ length that can be used in polearm mode with pierce stab.

*NINJA EDIT FOR SANDY*

Read my post here, I agree if you're 1v1 against a short spear or bec, you should outreach them anyways. 

[Sandersson Jankins]

I'm usually playing lancer cav, and while annoying, this change didn't really seem to affect much unless you're riding an ungodly heavy charger or something. If you are riding full speed down a bec or spear user's throat, you'll probably lose all your horse's HP anyway due to the gnarly speed bonus.

With the superior reach a lancer has, you should usually be able to outrange becs and other very short polearms anyway.