Bring back Ladders, Seriously..

[Tanken]

Battle maps have been made and edited without having to worry about the ladders for like 2 years now. This is far beyond the simple motf change i had to do one or two patches ago. If there is anyone out there who would want to edit like 80 maps just to bring those goddamn ladders back, sure. I know i won't.

Come on Head Scene Editor/Bad map selector Fips!

Might want to get a head start Fips, the polls seem to indicate a want for them ;)

[Fips]

Come on Head Scene Editor/Bad map selector Fips!

Might want to get a head start Fips, the polls seem to indicate a want for them ;)

No, sorry. Imo the disadvantages of bringing ladders back outweigh the advantages. If the dev and unbalance team would be all in to bring them back, then i might do it. Only thing i could see getting back without causing too much trouble in the maps themselves would be the small ladders and only them. But from a players perspective i'd still veto against even the small ladders only every time.

[WITCHCRAFT]

I have fond memories of all the hilarious hijinks you could do with ladders. They can be used to create deeper strategy and promote team play.

People would also use them to troll their own team or maybe even the entire server! Slow people from leaving spawn, fling allied players skyward, going outside of regular map bounds, etc. Why you gotta shoot yourself in the foot, crpg? 

[Tydeus]

Yeah the MOTF bug is annoying as hell with it getting stuck. I still think that Ladders (at this point I'd separate it to EU and NA if they want it or not) should strongly be considered being brought back by the Dev team. Ladders may be nostalgic, but they're also becoming dust-collectors on our c-rpg page. Many new players see Ladders and other Siege Equipment items and buy them--only to find out they can only use them in Duel of all places :/

If balanced correctly with the current MOTF setup and class balances, and with potential changes to the ladder slot system as Zagibu mentioned briefly and a limit on them per-side--they could be done. I would not consider it a moot point or dead cause at this point--if anything it should be something for the Dev Team to discuss and see if there is a good, solid way to re-implement them and make it optional for the separate servers.

We talked about it for a bit like two or three weeks ago, talked about it again, briefly, thanks to this thread. It's being considered, but if I'm being honest and open here, I don't think it's likely to happen. If we decide to reintroduce ladders, it will be because we're sure it won't cause issues and will therefore plan on it never needing to be removed again. With steep requirements like these, it's hard for me to imagine cRPG with ladders on battle once again.

[Tanken]

One can dream, and it's obvious a large chunk of the community wants Ladders back. As has been discussed--the opinion of them between EU and NA are vastly different in a lot of areas. But since most of the Devs are EU, the decision to ever do anything about bringing them back will likely remain there with that opinion siding with EU.


Simply a discussion though, but I think it largely shows how many people want them back via the poll and it is something that Devs should strongly consider for NA (at the very least). Give us back Fun. Right now the Maps feel too monotonous and grind-like. The combat happens in the same place almost every time due to how the maps are designed and played, ladders throw a kink in that and re-introduce an element that stirs the pot.


Food for thought.

[dynamike]

One can dream, and it's obvious a large chunk of the community wants Ladders back. As has been discussed--the opinion of them between EU and NA are vastly different in a lot of areas. But since most of the Devs are EU, the decision to ever do anything about bringing them back will likely remain there with that opinion siding with EU.


Simply a discussion though, but I think it largely shows how many people want them back via the poll and it is something that Devs should strongly consider for NA (at the very least). Give us back Fun. Right now the Maps feel too monotonous and grind-like. The combat happens in the same place almost every time due to how the maps are designed and played, ladders throw a kink in that and re-introduce an element that stirs the pot.


Food for thought.

Yeah that wouldn't work though. Maps are made for both the NA and EU rotation - you would have to separate them them completely AND then have someone who optimizes the maps solely for the NA side... this would also mean every time new maps come out, someone needs to adjust and balance them differently. Not likely for that to happen buddy, sorry 

[Jona]

Can we just have our little tea party and separate from the euro's already?

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[Teeth]

Might want to get a head start Fips, the polls seem to indicate a want for them ;)

Classic, this is like the third time some NA goes 'if we get a majority on a poll it shall be done' and gets all smug about it. If you haven't figured it out yet, the dev team does not work that way. If you ever want to get anything done in this game you should probably quit feeling so arrogantly entitled to tell the devs what to do.

[Kafein]

The thing is, correctly editing those maps would be equivalent of not allowing ladders at all. All roofs should be walled off in order to prevent roofcamping, and roofcamping is the only use of ladders anyway.

Think about it. What you are suggesting is "Bring back Roofcamping".

[Mr.K.]

Hell no.

Roof camping is already a big enough problem when guys like Shokoshugi spend the first 30 seconds of every map jumping onto a roof and being untouchable by any other hard counters but other ranged. Most of us don't even know how to get on those roofs and doing it while being shot by an archer or three makes it so much more annoying... Flags might fix this unless they spawned below the archer roofs on most maps...

You can't blame the archers though for looking protection wherever they can. I blame Fips instead.

[darmaster]

bring back winner taco

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[Grumbs]

The main fun of ladders for me was being able to make a choice about how to progress through the map with a team. There were maps were plopping down a ladder meant you then had a better route to the enemy from your side of the map, or if a team was pushing a certain way each time you could put down a ladder and cut them off etc

Ideally we should come up with ways to simulate that but without it necessarily being with ladders. So dynamic maps that can be changed in different ways depending on which side you are on or which route you take. So maybe some destructible walls or gates you can open, areas that can be removed but only from one side. Kind of like you could in Red Orchestra: Ostfront on some maps

So ways to change the way the map is played each round that don't necessarily allow a team to camp high up, but just adds more tactical options and routes through the map

[Legion_PL]

Ladders = <3 !


+1 ;***

[Tanken]

Classic, this is like the third time some NA goes 'if we get a majority on a poll it shall be done' and gets all smug about it. If you haven't figured it out yet, the dev team does not work that way. If you ever want to get anything done in this game you should probably quit feeling so arrogantly entitled to tell the devs what to do.

Obviously it was a joke, Teeth, you clown. I'm not telling Devs what to do, I've said all along this is a suggestion and the poll indicates that a good amount of players want it back. I was fucking with Fips because he said he wouldn't do it. Get off your High Horse Teeth. I'm not being smug, if anything I'm being humble with my approach to how this should be handled and letting the community weigh in pros and cons. Puhleez.

[Ubereem]

i vote yes because it would greatly help NA siege which right now is shite