Socialism

[the real god emperor]

Can someone enlighten me about why is everyone hating Socialists? I mean, I made lots of searching , I know most Socialist Leaders made really really bad things but, what is wrong with the idea itself?Help me please.

[Teeth]

The problem with the idea itself is that it doesn't go too well with human nature and therefore will never be realized properly.

[Nightmare798]

The problem with the idea itself is that it doesn't go too well with human nature and therefore will never be realized properly.

Mainly because most humans are greedy fucks that dont care about being equal with others.

Ironically while socialsts preached about how everyone will be equal to everyone else, their leaders disregarded everything socialism standed for, and used the taxes of hard working citizen of their country for their own personal gain, just like any other politician ever.

[Osiris]

are we talking general socialism or more communism?

[the real god emperor]

are we talking general socialism or more communism?

socialism.

[_schizo321437]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporoparietal_junction#Morality

[Armpit_Sweat]

Socialism is not the same as Communism... Scandinavia is, in my opinion, more socialist, than Russia ever was.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with social equality as an idea. Not being able to implement social equality universally and/or properly, should not be an excuse to abandon it's pursuit.
 
An argument regarding human nature is pretty much irrelevant, since every law out there, is against human nature, but that doesn't make them wrong or unneeded. Otherwise there wouldn't be any need to write them down. f. ex.: It's not in human nature to sniff each other's assholes when we meet, and so we have no need in laws restricting this activity explicitly. It is in human nature to smack each other around, so we need many laws restricting these notions.
 
I like socialism as an idea, and have no pain in my ass for paying 40+% in taxes. But that is of course, because i know my money won't be stolen - my faith in local official's integrity is almost religious.

[Nightmare798]

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with social equality as an idea. Not being able to implement social equality universally and/or properly, should not be an excuse to abandon it's pursuit.

Of course not. Socialism is a perfect dream, a world where everybody has same chance for happines and good life.

However, I fear that ideal of socialsm will never be realised as long as greed and envy exists. And of course, there will always be someone who will want more than everyone else.

EDIT: Forgive my grammar I slept like 3 hours yesterday.

[cmp]

all Socialist Leaders made really really bad things

wat

[Teeth]

Socialism is not the same as Communism... Scandinavia is, in my opinion, more socialist, than Russia ever was.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with social equality as an idea. Not being able to implement social equality universally and/or properly, should not be an excuse to abandon it's pursuit.

Socialism is a very wide term which encompasses many things. In original communist writing, the word socialism refers to the economic stage before communism and there socialism is very closely related to communism. At a certain stage of history being a socialist was basically being a communist, but instead of seeking a violent transition, socialists aimed at reforming the economical system through the parliaments.

I presume you are referring to democratic socialism, which is what most of our Western European 'socialist' parties practice. Which has very little to do with the original socialist tenets, and merely seeks to avoid the excesses of capitalism. In which case socialism is a great idea which I support. Not sure what exactly the OP means by socialism.

An argument regarding human nature is pretty much irrelevant, since every law out there, is against human nature, but that doesn't make them wrong or unneeded. Otherwise there wouldn't be any need to write them down. f. ex.: It's not in human nature to sniff each other's assholes when we meet, and so we have no need in laws restricting this activity explicitly. It is in human nature to smack each other around, so we need many laws restricting these notions.

I think there is a subtle difference here in that laws try to prevent humans from doing what is in their nature, whereas socialism expects humans to do what is outside their nature. Humans are capable of breaking the law, which is why they are there, but they are not capable of carrying out socialism. In any case using human nature in any argument is a slippery slope as it is an abstract concept, but it was the quickest way to describe what I meant. What I mean is that history has been fairly consistent in showing us that socialism is unrealistic due to human selfishness.

[Eugen]

I live in central Europe. Here I am used to have socialist partys around. They are not much better or worse in terms of corruption then other partys. What I wonder is why america has only two partys: democrats and err.. them oil weapon.. ah. republicans.. whats this?

Socialism is more like democrats i think...

what i have experienced: socialists are for the working class and others "liberals" or "conservatives" are more for the enterpreneurs. Its a matter of witch interests they cover. Thats all. Vote socialists if you want more workingcalss rights, vote conservative if you want more money for your busisness. Easy like that. Or go underdog and vote communist, green, facist or whatever.

[SixThumbs]

I'm not entirely convinced on the premise that human nature says given the opportunity with minimal risk we're going to screw our neighbors or strangers without a second thought but there is a certain malevolence when normally altruistic people fail to prevent the others from doing something exploitative.

[darmaster]

wat

What cmp is trying to say is that there was an italian ex socialist that actually did well, mr Benito

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[Armpit_Sweat]

I presume you are referring to democratic socialism, which is what most of our Western European 'socialist' parties practice. Which has very little to do with the original socialist tenets, and merely seeks to avoid the excesses of capitalism. In which case socialism is a great idea which I support. Not sure what exactly the OP means by socialism.

I am not afraid of "communism" like it's some kind of plague... If a communist party would win through democratic elections, would that be a "democratic communism"?.. I am not really interested in politics all that much, so i might sound very ignorant, and indeed i am in many political concepts... I was referring to the most "common" understanding of socialism in Europe, yes.

I think there is a subtle difference here in that laws try to prevent humans from doing what is in their nature, whereas socialism expects humans to do what is outside their nature. Humans are capable of breaking the law, which is why they are there, but they are not capable of carrying out socialism. In any case using human nature in any argument is a slippery slope as it is an abstract concept, but it was the quickest way to describe what I meant. What I mean is that history has been fairly consistent in showing us that socialism is unrealistic due to human selfishness.

   
Working on a coal mine in 12 hour shifts, is just as outside of human nature - but needs to be done nevertheless A very abstract concept indeed...

[Eugen]

Of course not. Socialism is a perfect dream, a world where everybody has same chance for happines and good life.

However, I fear that ideal of socialsm will never be realised as long as greed and envy exists. And of course, there will always be someone who will want more than everyone else.

Socialism is reality. We have socialism in some european states. It inclueds state wellfare, 4-5 weeks holidays, health and unemployment insurance and stuff like this. This would not have happened without socialism. Better ask, what can socialism do today except of preserving workingclass rights as they are???

EDIT:
I believe econimic crises was provoked by antisocialist groups to bring down socialism by making people believe social systems cant be supported anymore becouse of "financial crises". Them greedy capitalists just dont want to pay up for social system anymore, they dont want to pay tax for theyre working class, they want to make more money and pay less to them who do the work. Thats just it. My true conspiracy theory.