Meanwhile in Ukraine

[serr]

And so, you can come in the parliament with guns and ask to sign anything ?

No, you can't. Did anyone do that?

[Falka]

Stoping that makes them, but Ukrainians also, good guys in my book.

Don't forget about 50 years of occupation, gulag, installing puppet governments, and spreading bullshit propaganda, ruining economies, using secret police, sending in tanks to kill people..

Good guys my ass.

NOt to mention Russia attacked Poland in 1939 and after that Finland - doing exactly what they arranged with einstein in ribbentrop Molotov Pact. Not to mention in 1940 russia took 20 - 30 thousands of polish officers and representants of intelligentsia and executed them in the woods of Katyń. They were best pals, Stalin and H.itler, in 1939-40. Just because one of them atacked the other one doesn't make russia a good guy. It's like saying that Don Corleone was good and law loving guy because Barzinis (or whatever their name was), another mafia family, attacked him one day.

Helped? I believe you are under the influence of Hollywood Gebels like, private Ryan propaganda. USSR win about 90% of the war and ha 40 times more casulties than rest of the Allies.

Yeah, helped, because until 1941 russia wasn't fighting against chocolate chip cookies but with them. And without help from GB and USA, without west front and alliance airplanes destorying germany, russia would have never won a war.

If there wasnt stuborness to resist in USSR, the darkness would still dominate Europe, and all of us would be living in nazzi countries.

Just 30 years ago some of us, or our parents, lived in communistic countries. No comparison with na.zizm, no doubt about it, but still I wouldn't call russia liberator and good guy.

[Leshma]

Crocodile tears about scary neo-chocolate chip cookies aside, I have yet to see any of this vaunted opression supposedly endured by the poor victimized russian minority.

Oh they are scary, very scary. Saying they aren't scary is an insult to all those people who died during WWII, few years before and after. When communists narrowly defeated fascists, they did everything in their power to exterminate that idea (by killing people among other measures).

What we have now is also quite scary. Communism collapsed two decades ago and we already have neo-fascists who wholeheartedly support all those "values" but are hiding direct ties with nazis. Today fascism is a choice, opinion and is cool as long einstein, 88, 14 and nazi svastika aren't associated with it. But those symbols aren't responsible for deaths of millions of people, ideas are. That is why it's okay for Svoboda and Golden Dawn to have an opinion as long that opinion isn't directly connected with einstein and everything he represents.

Just because communism isn't around anymore (which is a good thing), doesn't mean that fascism should be allowed to show up its ugly head again.

Ukraine is the first European country that gave power to fascists after many years. Next country to do so will be Greece. That must be stopped. These new generations seem to be very fond of fascism.

[Falka]

Ukraine is the first European country that gave power to fascists after many years. Next country to do so will be Greece. That must be stopped.

Hopefully in next few years all greeks will die out from starvation - problem solved. Hue hue

PS. okay, not funny, I know

[Tovi]

Please change your avatar. I don't like to have an erection while writing serious things. 

[serr]

Ukraine is the first European country that gave power to fascists after many years. Next country to do so will be Greece. That must be stopped. These new generations seem to be very fond of fascism.

What do you mean by giving power? Most powerful party in Ukraine right now is Fatherland(who are not nationalists), not Svoboda. There are only four Svoboda's members in new government and this is not first government where they have posts. And I'm 100% sure that in many European countries you can find(and could in past) some nationalists taking some posts in governments.

[Butan]

And so, you can come in the parliament with guns and ask to sign anything ?

No, you can't. Did anyone do that?

Are you talking about Kiev or Sevastopol Simferopol ? 

[serr]

Are you talking about Kiev or Sevastopol ? 

Lol, indeed, I forgot about Crimea. That happened in Simferopol though, not in Sevastopol 

[Butan]

Fair point.


Why you minused me Falka, I made only good - neutral post recently 

[Nessaj]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465570/Ukraine-crisis-Ukraine-soldier-killed-after-Russian-soldiers-storm-Crimea-military-base
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/crimea-crisis-shots-fired-and-one-killed-as-russian-troops-storm-ukrainian-military-base-in-simferopol-9200203.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/03/18/russian-troops-storm-ukrainian-base-in-crimea-apparently-kill-ukrainian-soldier-and-wound-another/

[Tovi]

I mean : revolution begun cause of Yanucovich refused to sign an unfair treaty with EU. Then, people trained and supported by westerns countries took control of riots, thus of the government, by force (with guns).
Happy end : all treaties with the West are signed (or will be).
This is not exactly Democracy in my mind.

[Butan]

Loyalist Ukraine military bases have been under siege for like weeks, both aiming their weapons at each others, no shots fired from sheer luck from both side; Crimea becomes Russia officially, Ukrainian soldiers still under siege in now "Russian" barracks, storming and taking control of the last pockets of resistance manu militari, one dead, everybody jumps their shit? Seems legit.

[Tovi]

Hot blood decisions will follow. It's dangerous.

[serr]

Hot blood decisions will follow. It's dangerous.

Probably first post from you I completely support

[Nessaj]

I mean : revolution begun cause of Yanucovich refused to sign an unfair treaty with EU.

An unfair treaty? Which parts did you find unfair, please refer to source material.