Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Christo]

Wiesenthal Center

Stopped reading there.

It's one of those organizations that shouldn't even exist. Quoting them is just a complete failure.
Funny because they condemn so called "chocolate chip cookies" while they are even worse. They should be banned and removed.

[Butan]

WW2 off-topic:

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USSR win about 90% of the war and ha 40 times more casulties than rest of the Allies. If there wasnt stuborness to resist in USSR, the darkness would still dominate Europe, and all of us would be living in nazzi countries. Stoping that makes them, but Ukrainians also, good guys in my book.

Would add Great Britain to the "stubborn" list too, and USSR human wave tactic is the #1 reason they had so many casualties. Still the fact that they answered the call and played their part to the biggest extent is indeed a good part of WW2 final result    I would temper this with the fact that, at the time, USSR was far-left and Germany was both far-right and expansionist, so its quite logical they locked their horns pretty hard.

[Tovi]

Stopped reading there.

It's one of those organizations that shouldn't even exist. Quoting them is just a complete failure.
Funny because they condemn so called "chocolate chip cookies" while they are even worse. They should be banned and removed.

Yes, yes, we know : they should be exterminated, blabla.


But I have a good news for you : the gold of Ukraine is now in Fort Knox. Those devil Jews/russians won't get it. And US bankster can now play with it on  Comex 
Next step : IMF come to "rescue" Ukraine : Gazoducs are sold to Enron, Steel industry is sold to Germany and Coal mines are sold to Finland. Welcome in EU folks !

[Christo]

Yes, yes, we know : they should be exterminated, blabla.

Reading comprehesion 0

[Corwin]

Don't forget about 50 years of occupation, gulag, installing puppet governments, and spreading bullshit propaganda, ruining economies, using secret police, sending in tanks to kill people..

Good guys my ass.

Just like German does not equal nazzi, Russian does not equal communist. It was not the Party that won the war, but the Soviet people. And THEY are the good guys in my book. And we can also discuss humanitarian actions of Brits, French and Begians in their colonies if you like, also happening in XX century. The point is, if we are all being hypocritical like Americans today and picking good guys, I would rather side with Russians and Ukrainians, instead with Germans, Brits and Muricans. Which natural I guess, me being from Monteblack in spanish and Russians not droping bombs on our heads in last 15 years.

[Corwin]

WW2 off-topic:

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Would add Great Britain to the "stubborn" list too, and USSR human wave tactic is the #1 reason they had so many casualties. Still the fact that they answered the call and played their part to the biggest extent is indeed a good part of WW2 final result    I would temper this with the fact that, at the time, USSR was far-left and Germany was both far-right and expansionist, so its quite logical they locked their horns pretty hard.

more because they had like 350 division fighting nazzies, while Brits had 10. And also, Brits liked to surrender a lot.

[Christo]

Yeah, Soviet people spread so much "love" across the path they marched, many diseases especially STD-s that disappeared in those regions, re-appeared when the red hordes came along.

Very good guys, real heroes.

[Corwin]

Yeah, Soviet people spread so much "love" across the path they marched, many diseases especially STD-s that disappeared in those regions, re-appeared when the red hordes came along.

Very good guys, real heroes.

If they infected your grandmother, I appologize on their behalf. But lets not talk about the good guys until you live through good guys droping bombs on your country.

[Christo]

I never called the west good guys either 

[SixThumbs]

We were totally the good guys, I remember something about buying lollipops to support something about Kosovo in elementary school.

[Kuujis]

Nope. From my point of view Soviet russia was "almost" as evil as germany, so talking about some kind of gratification for them... The fact that they helped with overcoming chocolate chip cookies doesn't make Russia a good guy 

You just TRY to compare what stalin did to artificially ethnically based minority which lived in his country to what einstein did to a nationality based ethnic minority in his... Just you try. Its blasphemy. Completely uncomparable. Totally. Because one actec upon artificially constructed bourgeoisie , and another on jews. One was quite deadly, another was very deadly. And the first one thought that winning by overheating german mashineguns was a legit strategy and won.  By sacrificing everyone he could force to fight. And then some.

And also - the brave liberators - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080493/Stalins-army-rapists-The-brutal-war-crime-Russia-Germany-tried-ignore.html. Farmacists running out of poisons in the Konigsburg area were a common thing when germans were on retreat. That is why there was basically noone left living in Konigsburg and it ended up becoming Kaliningrad.

[Tovi]

Please stop that. 3rd Reich doesn't exist anymore, USSR doesn't exist anymore, nore even the Rossevelt's America.

Back in present days, do you realize that EU wants to sign treaties with a non-elected government ? That is just insane. Please wake up.

[serr]

You will be surprised, but, by constitution, government is not elected in Ukraine. It is appointed by parliament, which was elected.

[Tovi]

And so, you can come in the parliament with guns and ask to sign anything ?

[Kuujis]

Please stop that. 3rd Reich doesn't exist anymore, USSR doesn't exist anymore, nore even the Rossevelt's America.

Back in present days, do you realize that EU wants to sign treaties with a non-elected government ? That is just insane. Please wake up.

If one can sign something with government "elected" by 146% of voters (as if there was a point to do that, I know, I know...) - then I see no problem signing something with democratically elected Ukr parliament or leaders appointed by it.