Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Molly]

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Although, we had pro-Ukrainian march("March of Peace") yesterday too:

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Funny... when those pro-Russia fellows do marches, you never see the Ukrainian flag mixed into the picture. Here you can see both flags coexisting which should be the natural way.

[BASNAK]

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[Butan]

There are two choices in referendum:
1. Crimea joins Russia
2. Crimea becomes independent

Since independent Crimea can join Russia afterwards it is basically the same, there is no choice.

Wrong.

1. Crimea joins Russia
2. Crimea becomes an autonomous region of Ukraine


Most countries have regions with special history who have been granted more "freedom" to manage their own territory, and those regions are still are a part of the nation.
But in substance, there is no "No" vote, that is true. Some people would have voted to "stay a normal region of Ukraine" and it is not possible.

As I've predicted, there will be 146% votes for joining Russia This referendum is an utter profanation, they add people to the voting lists just using regular pens (you're not in the list? Ah, no problem, you can vote now if you came here at least), they let people with Russian passports vote (that's just retarded, they justify it by the fact that it's going to be Russia soon anyway). So according to the fact that a certain amount of Crimean people have a Russian passport illegally that means that people can vote even twice. Meanwhile those who support Ukraine are boycotting the referendum (including Ukrainian military troops), so I guess this referendum will be 99.8% for joining Russia with more than 100% of votes.

Wait the end of the referendum before saying random things without links.

[serr]

Wrong.

1. Crimea joins Russia
2. Crimea becomes an autonomous region of Ukraine


Most countries have regions with special history who have been granted more "freedom" to manage their own territory, and those regions are still are a part of the nation.
But in substance, there is no "No" vote, that is true. Some people would have voted to "stay a normal region of Ukraine" and it is not possible.

Not entirely true. It is autonomous even now.
By second point Crimea would get right to make their own foreign policy with all consequences.

[Butan]

Do you mean the constitution of 1992 allowed Crimea to join any country unilaterally? I didnt read the whole text so I dont know but it sounds strange if its true.

from wikipedia: (full text)

In February 1992 the Crimean parliament transformed Crimea into "Republic of Crimea" and the Ukrainian government offered them more self-government.[1] On 5 May 1992 parliament declared Crimea independent[1] (which was yet to be approved by a referendum to be held 2 August 1992[4]) and passed the first Crimean constitution the same day.[4] On 6 May 1992 the same parliament inserted a new sentence into this constitution that declared that Crimea was part of Ukraine.[4] On 13 May 1992 the Verkhovna Rada (the Ukrainian parliament) annulled Crimea's independence declaration and gave its Crimean counterpart one week to do the same.[4] In June 1992 the parties reached a compromise and Crimea was given the status of "Autonomous Republic".[1]

Bold part are most interesting, epic changes of the text on a day-to-day basis    thus the constitutions are written!
Anyway, I'm not sure that if the "autonomy" is granted to Crimea they will totally respect that old text to the letter, so its quite possible they join (be it symbolically, in trade-political union; or territorially by transfering power) in the future, using other legal actions, but I would refrain from using shortcuts that liberally. A whole country is in the balance.

[Moncho]

What about the censorship in Russia, and the alleged storming of hotels full of reporters? Some links:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/
http://time.com/26320/gunmen-storm-crimea-hotel-full-of-reporters-on-eve-of-referendum/

[serr]

Do you mean the constitution of 1992 allowed Crimea to join any country unilaterally?

Second point includes returning to constitution of 1992 year, as you can see there were several changes then and there is no explanations which of them would be reverted, so it can be interpreted in different ways. However with current crimean rulers I don't doubt it would be interpreted in the most profitable for Russia way.

Added: Well, probably I misinterpret it, there was delineated constitution. However what was written there mean that Crimea is literally independent state that is declaratively inside Ukraine. However even if this point would win - most likely Crimea would immedialely declare its independence since they don'r recognize current ukrainian rulers. Sounds a bit silly but these guys showed even bigger neglecting to laws during last 2 weeks.

[serr]

Wait, silly me, what independence I'm talking about...
Just read declaration of referendum:

Parliament of Crimea declares:
1. Join Russia
2. Make referendum about joining Russia

There are 9 more points in that declaration, but these two are main.

[Tovi]

Ukrainian parliament declares :
- join EU
- join NATO
- join NWO
No elections

[BASNAK]

- join NWO

Seriously.

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[Segd]

Funny... when those pro-Russia fellows do marches, you never see the Ukrainian flag mixed into the picture. Here you can see both flags coexisting which should be the natural way.

Well, it's pretty easy to determine the political views of ppl by pics:
If it is on Ukrainian territory & you see Russian flags, then this is pro-Russian & pro-Putin.
If it is on Russian territory & you see Ukrainian flags, then this is pro-Ukrainian & anti-Putin. 

[Butan]

And when you have both flags coming too close to each other, you have either violence (in case of counter-demonstration) or peace (in case of white march).

[Kafein]

All this talk of "yeah but Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Mali, Kosovo, Pakistan etc." is really ridiculous. If you want to go down that road, what about mentioning just about every single Latin American, Asian or African country, that at some point was politically influenced by some western power during the 20th and 19th century ? Because yes, pretty much all of them were.

Hypocrisy is not a crime in politics, or in anything else for that matter. It's not because you did bad things that to stand and watch while others do bad things is the morally superior course of action. Jeez.

[DaveUKR]

Justifying crimes of Russia against Ukraine by crimes of USA against other countries just shows the mental retardation of the one who tries it. The world is not a card game of 2 players where you can exchange better or worse cards.

[Leshma]

I think we're past that point. Seems like "west" won't do anything to stop Russia. No need to justify anything.