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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1635 on: March 14, 2014, 07:02:42 pm »
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Guess there will be no sanctions for Russia after all. Big international corporations don't like the idea. German industry will be hit hardest, Merkel needs to rethink priorities.

There is "only" 140 million consumers in Russia. This is a clear sign to China that they can do anything they want, only way to stop them is full scale WW3.

This is just a proof of what I was talking about. Western world sux dick without bigass eastern countries. They can't go in war with them, not anymore.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1636 on: March 14, 2014, 07:14:49 pm »
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Human garbage... I can't even start to imagine the fear they must have felt with that crowd obviously out for blood.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1637 on: March 14, 2014, 07:20:13 pm »
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Honestly surprised the death count is so low: worst part = like almost all fighting, its pointless.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1638 on: March 14, 2014, 07:25:54 pm »
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Can We Afford Ukraine?
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Officially, US debt stands at more than $17 trillion. In reality, it is many times more. The cost of the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq may be more than six trillion dollars. President Obama’s illegal invasion of Libya cost at least a billion dollars and left that country devastated. The costs of US regime change efforts in Syria are likely thus far enormous, both in dollars and lives. That’s still a secret.

So who in his right mind would think it is a good time to start a war with Russia over Ukraine? And worse, who would commit the United States to bail out a Ukraine that will need at least $35 billion to survive the year?

Who? The president and Congress, backed by the neocons and the so-called humanitarian interventionists!

The House voted overwhelmingly last week to provide $1 billion in loan guarantees to Ukraine. That is just the beginning, you can be sure. But let’s be clear: this is not money for the population of that impoverished country. The Administration is sending a billion dollars from US taxpayers to wealthy international bankers who hold Ukrainian debt. It is an international bank bailout, not aid to Ukrainians. And despite the escalating anti-Russia rhetoric, ironically some of that money will likely go to Russia for Ukraine’s two billion dollar unpaid gas bill!

So what happened in Ukraine? The US government and media claims that the US must save Ukrainian democracy from an invading Russian army that is threatening the country’s sovereignty. But in reality the crisis was instigated in part by US meddling. Remember the intercepted telephone call in which two senior Obama Administration officials discussed plans to replace the elected government in Ukraine with US puppets? That is exactly what happened. Is that not a violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty? Is that what democracy is all about?
 
The Obama Administration’s policy toward Ukraine is hypocritical. The overthrow of the government in Kiev by violent street protests was called a triumph of democracy, but when the elected parliament in autonomous Crimea voted last week to hold a referendum to decide its future, President Obama condemned it as a violation of international law. What about the principle of self-determination, which is also enshrined in international law?
 
I have long thought that a referendum to reorganize Ukraine into a looser confederation of regions might help reduce tensions. I still believe this could help, but it seems the US government is not so enthusiastic about democracy when there is a chance for an outcome it opposes.

I strongly believe that Crimeans have every right to transfer sovereignty over their peninsula to Russia if they wish. The only question that remains is whether there will there be an honest election, and I don’t see any reason there can’t be.

The US government tells the rest of the world, “We want you to be good democrats and have elections,” but if they don’t elect the right people then we complain about it and throw them out, like we did in Egypt. In Crimea they want to have an election to determine their future. President Obama condemned those plans for a vote by saying, “We are well beyond the days when borders can be redrawn over the heads of democratic leaders.” Does he not remember that the authorities in Kiev were installed just weeks ago after a US-backed coup against the Ukrainian constitution?

Congress next week will likely vote for sanctions against Russia. Though many mistakenly believe that sanctions are a relatively harmless way of forcing foreign countries to do what we say, we should be clear: sanctions are an act of war.
 
Cooler heads in the United States are not currently prevailing. There is a danger of an unimaginable conflict between the US and Russia. We must demand a shift away from a war footing, away from incendiary rhetoric. We are broke and cannot afford to “buy” Ukraine. We certainly cannot afford another war, especially with Russia!

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1639 on: March 14, 2014, 08:04:58 pm »
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Guess there will be no sanctions for Russia after all. Big international corporations don't like the idea. German industry will be hit hardest, Merkel needs to rethink priorities.

There is "only" 140 million consumers in Russia. This is a clear sign to China that they can do anything they want, only way to stop them is full scale WW3.

This is just a proof of what I was talking about. Western world sux dick without bigass eastern countries. They can't go in war with them, not anymore.

What do you have against China? They are the only ones that can save you from KFC and McDonalds. All hail mighty Emperor Ming!

Regarding Russia vs West, it's obvious no one wants to provoke Brown Bear and like many times over the past they will just turn their heads and look away.
This is Putin's sandbox and Obama isn't allowed to play there. EU is also useless, army of bureaucrats doing absolutely nothing.

Let the WWIII commence! I'm sure my stone throwing skills will be useful when nukes blast everything.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1640 on: March 14, 2014, 08:50:32 pm »
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US just can't win against Russia. Not without very heavy losses or a nuclear war. That's why they withdrawed in Syria.
Russia have better AA missile system and multi-head tactic against aircraft-carrier. And no more US troops in Europe.

Westerners have more to loose if Russia decide to seize all their societies in Russia, or cut the gaz to Europe. So the dogs will get back in the kennel and Obama will celebrate democratic elections in Crimea.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1641 on: March 14, 2014, 10:55:55 pm »
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After watching all these videos on a previous page I am still sure we don't need the special forces to enforcing the peace on the streets.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1642 on: March 15, 2014, 02:11:46 am »
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US just can't win against Russia. Not without very heavy losses or a nuclear war. That's why they withdrawed in Syria.
Russia have better AA missile system and multi-head tactic against aircraft-carrier. And no more troops in Europe.

Westerners have more to loose if Russia decide to seize all their societies in Russia, or cut the gaz to Europe. So the dogs will get back in the kennel and Obama will celebrate democratic elections in Crimea.
US would roll over Russia if it came to a war. Russian military is horribly trained, not motivated and has shit equipment.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1643 on: March 15, 2014, 02:47:32 am »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1644 on: March 15, 2014, 09:06:33 am »
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Anyway, Afghans are better than both.  :mrgreen:
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1645 on: March 15, 2014, 09:57:26 am »
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Young Ukrainians (and even Russians) should think twice before dying for Crimea. Let's have elections and don't let the violence take power.

What elections are you speaking about? And Russian troops are already beyond Crimea in Kherson region and most likely will not stop.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1646 on: March 15, 2014, 10:21:25 am »
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What elections are you speaking about? And Russian troops are already beyond Crimea in Kherson region and most likely will not stop.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1647 on: March 15, 2014, 10:29:02 am »
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Anyway, Afghans are better than both.  :mrgreen:
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1648 on: March 15, 2014, 11:30:38 am »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1649 on: March 15, 2014, 12:30:14 pm »
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