Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Grytviken]

they studied the path of penetration of fragments rather than the degree of destruction of the fuselage

  So Mach 3 is irrelevant?  Lmao  . Smashing into a slow moving passenger jet at 2300 miles per hour is not in the equation anywhere? Flocks of birds have taken down passenger airlines before, probably the most retarded study i've ever seen.

[Vovka]

  So Mach 3 is irrelevant?  Lmao  . Smashing into a slow moving passenger jet at 2300 miles per hour is not in the equation anywhere? Flocks of birds have taken down passenger airlines before, probably the most retarded study i've ever seen.

I hope you have not divided speed of boing with 800 km/h at sound speed in 300 m/s   

[Grytviken]

The BuK 9M317 surface to air missile shown in the video travels at 2300 mph. Crazy bastards should have known better than to fly over that part of Ukraine though, even though the transponder on the plane would have shown up as a passenger airliner on the BuK's radar... but I don't think there are any professional qualifications required to be a Putling separatist anti-aircraft operator.

[Grytviken]

Also these territories in the Ukraine that want to be part of Russia, are these mostly historical core Russian lands that were unfairly lost during the breakup of the USSR? Or are they areas that were historically Ukrainian that now have a Russian population majority? I want to hear a Russian opinion on this.

[Vovka]

The BuK 9M317 surface to air missile shown in the video travels at 2300 mph. Crazy bastards should have known better than to fly over that part of Ukraine though, even though the transponder on the plane would have shown up as a passenger airliner on the BuK's radar...

I just clarified, knowing the especially of home schooling in the United States 
missle explodes in 1-3 meters away from the target (so its not intended smash into plane) and after detonation fragments fly at a speed of 2 km / s (can not say exactly read for a long time ago)

[Grytviken]

I just clarified, knowing the especially of home schooling in the United States 
missle explodes in 1-3 meters away from the target (so its not intended smash into plane) and after detonation fragments fly at a speed of 2 km / s (can not say exactly read for a long time ago)

Exactly and the spread of the 1600 lb's of shrapnel is then accelerated even faster than 2300mph, it is meant to damage multiple areas of the plane this way, which would easily take out a passenger airlines engines.

[Turkhammer]

At one to 3 meters the pressure wave of the explosion alone must be a considerable force against the hull of the airplane.

[Vovka]

Exactly and the spread of the 1600 lb's of shrapnel is then accelerated even faster than 2300mph, it is meant to damage multiple areas of the plane this way, which would easily take out a passenger airlines engines.

I did not write doctoral theses in physics, but I can assume that after explosion energy missile extinguished and the final speed of the fragments is not the sum of the speed of the projectile + Speed obtained by detonation )
maybe someone will tell for sure. As for those who are to blame, I think that first of all  the one who does not close  fly zone for fear of losing profits.

[Turkhammer]

I did not write doctoral theses in physics, but I can assume that after explosion energy missile extinguished and the final speed of the fragments is not the sum of the speed of the projectile + Speed obtained by detonation )
maybe someone will tell for sure. As for those who are to blame, I think that first of all  the one who does not close  fly zone for fear of losing profits.

It's ridiculous to say that a country can be invaded and that that country is the first one at fault when a civilian airliner is shot down by the invaders.  Nice attempt to deflect the blame.  The primary culprits are the suppliers of the missile system and the ones who launched the missile, the Russians and whatever "volunteers" and separatists used the launcher.  The Dutch also blame Ukraine for not closing the airspace.  However there were dozens or hundreds of flights through that area during the time period this happened.

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http://news.yahoo.com/russian-missile-maker-contradicts-dutch-mh17-crash-report-074426278.html#

[Grytviken]

I did not write doctoral theses in physics, but I can assume that after explosion energy missile extinguished and the final speed of the fragments is not the sum of the speed of the projectile + Speed obtained by detonation )
maybe someone will tell for sure. As for those who are to blame, I think that first of all  the one who does not close  fly zone for fear of losing profits.

   The radar the missile system used to lock on to the passenger Airliner would have received a response and location from the Airliners transponder automatically. It's also possible the pilot set his transponder to standby while crossing into Ukrainian airspace before changing codes, this would show up on radar as an unknown and poof, just a crazy theory though.

[Turkhammer]

The ones that launched it did not use or did not have long range radar to acquire and interrogate the civilian plane and detect it's transponder.  They probably used  the launcher's fire control radar which is shorter range and just detects a target.  They turned that radar on for short periods, acquired a target and launched with out evaluating it.  They probably never considered the possibility of bringing down an airliner.  They were certainly surprised sounding on the social media transcripts when they discovered their mistake after bragging about bringing down another Ukrainian military plane.

[Grytviken]

The ones that launched it did not use or did not have long range radar to acquire and interrogate the civilian plane and detect it's transponder.  They probably used  the launcher's fire control radar which is shorter range and just detects a target.  They turned that radar on for short periods, acquired a target and launched with out evaluating it.  They probably never considered the possibility of bringing down an airliner.  They were certainly surprised sounding on the social media transcripts when they discovered their mistake after bragging about bringing down another Ukrainian military plane.

 Even very old systems from the 60's were equipped with an identify friend or foe system capable of picking up transponders.

[Casimir]

If Russia had nothing to hide why veto a UN investigation?

[Tibe]

If Russia had nothing to hide why veto a UN investigation?

Because Russia has nothing to hide, all people with logic know this. Thereby it does not need any puny evidence gathered by the american puppets, trying to hide the crimes of their fascist Kiev allies. And what rights you have to speak of russian veto and proofs, you English bulldog. Do you forget English colonial age crimes?

[Casimir]

Pfft, Welsh mate; all we do is dig coal, eat leeks and fuck sheep.