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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10335 on: October 11, 2015, 09:39:23 pm »
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No. But, as our friend Ivan here said, the Russians are taught in school that they went to "save Finland" and the finnish misunderstood. You think the ruskies ever consider their own wars to be anything else than reactionary? They think that they have the moral high ground, just like you do. All im saying is that we dont know the real agenda behind US.

Russia fears a democratic and free market spread in the 3rd world and Ukraine. Russia's economy is only as powerful as Canada, which is awful for having such a large population and territory. With the spread of democracy and the free market comes competition, Russia is afraid they will be dragged down even further which is why they support dictators who will isolate nations to be dependent on them.

You're right about Russians reacting to their own interests though. The same reasons they don't want democracy or Free Markets in the Middle-East or Africa to succeed are the same reasons they wanted Eastern Europe's economy to be weak and dependent, which is why they occupied them for 50 years and robbed them blind. More competitive economic powerhouses like India or China are not in their interest. Sure the US benefits from it's own ambitions economically, but that is the principle of a free world market economy, everyone benefits, however Russia views the additional competition this would bring as an economic threat to their nation.

Without a fear or threatening perception of the West, Russian leaders won't be able to convince their people that there is a reason to be economically isolated, which is why they continue this rivalry. Putin knows that a war with the US would be impossible militarily, he also knows that the US has no interest in fighting Russia, which is why he continues his saber rattling for popularity.

  Sure there are plenty of reasons for Russians to love Putin, he has fought against the corrupt politicians and businessmen that plagued Russia for years which others before him were afraid to do. But it's important not to forget that his saber rattling against the West is purely fabricated drama for popularity. It is a cowardly and greedy way to gain popularity in the face of real world problems which Russia could be aiding the rest of the world in solving instead of acting solely on their own personal ambitions.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10336 on: October 11, 2015, 11:10:04 pm »
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you should ask Obama to hire you as an adviser on Russian affairs, your country needs you  :o
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10337 on: October 11, 2015, 11:18:43 pm »
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Who was dumb enough to say that there ever was? Russias like the poorer, less successful version of the US. If they had the capabilities and influence the US has, they would have done the same mistakes murica has, probably even more.

As would or as did whatever country you are a citizen of.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10338 on: October 11, 2015, 11:23:22 pm »
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Who was dumb enough to say that there ever was? Russias like the poorer, less successful version of the US. If they had the capabilities and influence the US has, they would have done the same mistakes murica has, probably even more.

Eh, not so much.  Popular opinion in US can and has eventually forced policy change on the government.  Short of revolution I don't think it has anywhere near the impact in Russia, even it it was allowed to be expressed.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10339 on: October 11, 2015, 11:25:21 pm »
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you should ask Obama to hire you as an adviser on Russian affairs, your country needs you  :o

There's a reason all the McDonalds in Crimea were replaced with Burger Kings. It's hilarious to watch Russians replace an American burger joint franchise with a different American burger franchise that has a larger amount of  Russian investor shareholders.  :lol:

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10340 on: October 12, 2015, 02:25:41 am »
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There's a reason all the McDonalds in Crimea were replaced with Burger Kings. It's hilarious to watch Russians replace an American burger joint franchise with a different American burger franchise that has a larger amount of  Russian investor shareholders.  :lol:
oh yes it is a conspiracy,
or perhaps McDuck closed because of the fact that under the terms of the franchise they have no right to change the provider of products and in the current situation delivery from Ukraine is not possible
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10341 on: October 12, 2015, 02:43:23 am »
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There's a reason all the McDonalds in Crimea were replaced with Burger Kings. It's hilarious to watch Russians replace an American burger joint franchise with a different American burger franchise that has a larger amount of  Russian investor shareholders.  :lol:

Burger King got way tastier burgers and fries tho
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10342 on: October 12, 2015, 03:05:50 am »
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Burger King got way tastier burgers and fries tho

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10343 on: October 12, 2015, 07:51:36 am »
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Haha Rusburger. You have got to admit Vovka. Thats pretty fucked up. :lol:

Kremlin massively harrassing foreign businesses to try and keep money inside their own country has been a pretty common and actually kinda tragically funny thing way before Ukraine even. Kicking out evil american capitalist diseasefilled fast-food was only a small part.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10344 on: October 12, 2015, 08:53:21 am »
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Haha Rusburger. You have got to admit Vovka. Thats pretty fucked up. :lol:

Kremlin massively harrassing foreign businesses to try and keep money inside their own country has been a pretty common and actually kinda tragically funny thing way before Ukraine even. Kicking out evil american capitalist diseasefilled fast-food was only a small part.
Yeah it's pretty silly, our goverment act like a morons... i hope some day we will import all shit from usa and europe and will paying back with our natural resources and provide a waste disposal site on our territory like as do the modern democratic countries in Africa
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10345 on: October 12, 2015, 09:27:18 am »
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Actually you are basically acting more like a poor African nation. Those silly foreign business harassments you are doing are similar to how africans are doing it. Something on the long lines of "we will rid ourselves of imperialists". And what they end up with is scaring off all investors and tanking their economy entirely. There are ways to properly keep money inside your country. The way Russia is doing it currently is idiotic and appears desperate. Basically only poor countries with a totalitarian power do it. The whole world is basically laughing at you.

I dont seriuslly understand how you dont find your government kicking out american burger and replacing it with rus burger funny and retarded. Thats like the level of ultimate desperation. It means you suck so badly at selling your goods that your buisnesses have to lick the governments boots to kick out the competition to get any profit at all. Its nobody elses but your fault that ruskies are shit salesmen.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10346 on: October 12, 2015, 09:50:55 am »
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oh Estonian teach how to keep money in the country and how not to ruin the industry,  :o
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10347 on: October 12, 2015, 09:53:01 am »
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Estonia is doing just fine.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10348 on: October 12, 2015, 10:03:52 am »
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Estonia is doing great, compared to Russia.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #10349 on: October 12, 2015, 10:06:46 am »
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I hope it is, the more enjoyable is to annex this territory later  :o
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