Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Leshma]

Putin isn't genius, he just isn't drunkard idiot like his predecessor(s). He wouldn't mean anything for USA, because they aren't one man show. Russia is totalitarian society and that is why someone like Putin can do things in there.

Obama seems like a puppet because he actually is, just like every Murican president in last couple decades. Former actor, saxophone player, father's son, black man. Each of them serves a purpose, to show certain population they can have their own president. American presidents are like a fad, they get chosen at certain times because someone thinks it is time for certain personality to ascend to the "throne". There will be Mexican president soon, he'll probably be openly gay

[Xant]

Obama is weak and lets Americans get fucked all over the world without a word. Putin is an actual leader, or at least it appears that way.

[Osakasa]

Xant, we both know everything what happens in Russian can't be blamed by Putin, right? Still, Putin is far away from "cool". Putin is the very reason why western people are sceptical toward russians nowadays, and why there are economic sanctions. Can't say which one was the bad guy in Georgian war or who started it, anyway it happened. Those captured territories are still outside of Georgia and those were captured by no one else but russian troops. No little green men or anyone else. This military conflict happened at russian border, if wanted, Putin could have been able to stop it.

Current situation in Ukraine is another military conflict at Russian border. Regardless who was quilty this time, Russian has two (2) military conflicts in ten years at its border. And we all know that if anyone, it's Putin who could do some co-opearation with western countries this time, end Ukraine conflict within few weeks by simply closing their supply line. Yes, there might be some selfproduct in those areas but still, if Putin wanted, those pro-motherfuckers could be hunted in few weeks with co-operations. Yet, open dialogue with Putin and Russia is shining with absence.

Putin plays well with russian citizens. Poor people without job or low salary mean low standard of living. Blame western cultures and show as a cool dude who protect their motherland. Start a military conflict (or at least keep it going) and hire citizens with some better salary and there you get a nice bunch of soldiers doing dirty job. Citizens who are already living poorly, nothing to lose and with some nice "i'm riding on bearback while shooting eagles with AK" -status are ready to die for mothercountry (and sure honestly think for good purpose).

Russia really looked a potential country to develope, got rid of old commie status and show themself as a new modern country in ~2000. Russian even got accepted as a member of World Trade Organization, after almost 20 years, they finally managed to do it. And this downhill, which Russian and its citizen are facing today, is no one else's fault than Putin's. Not totally, but huge part of it. If there is a country where president has power, it's Russia.

And now Xant, I really want to see you defending Putin and his actions. I really do.

[DonNicko]

Never said that russian actions were good, but wanted to show that not only Russia did bad things, USA sponsored Ukraine maidan. And Russia reacted to that. And because of that Ukraine suffers now.

[AntiBlitz]

Never said that russian actions were good, but wanted to show that not only Russia did bad things, USA sponsored Ukraine maidan. And Russia reacted to that. And because of that Ukraine suffers now.

this guy still doesnt get it, not sure why anybody bothers trying to communicate with him.

[DonNicko]

this guy still doesnt get it, not sure why anybody bothers trying to communicate with him.

Why then there is so many visits of USA politics and generals to Ukraine during Maidan? Or maybe you are too blind to admit it.

[Osakasa]

Never said that russian actions were good, but wanted to show that not only Russia did bad things, USA sponsored Ukraine maidan. And Russia reacted to that. And because of that Ukraine suffers now.

Nicko, you still doing this USA-nonsense Really, no one believes it, no one will take it seriously. It's like telling to the scientist about Adam and Even and how whole universume was created in 7 days by God. They just don't take it seriously and consider that nonsense.

Never said that russian actions were good

And I never said and will not say that Russian military conflicts are citizens' fault. Really, what you (literally you Nicko) or your family with friends could do about in real life? Really, what are they chances to stop some conflict when even more politically power opposition persons can do nothing about it. Stronger political persons who are against Putin's vision are exiled from Russia (like Garry Kasparov even though he is from Azerbaijan), they are locked to prison (like Mikhail Khodorkovsky) or they are just killed like Anna Politkovskaya. All even stronger political persons are not able to stop Putin's vision and his political view. This is the reason why I can't blame russian citizens about it, and I know you feel some responsible to defence your country and political leaders. I don't accuse you from anything, you really are a prison in your own country. We have a lot of russians in Finland and they mostly think about Putin "what an asshole". Really, those russians are literally thinking outside of the box when they have got a chance to live outside of the box.

Did you Nicko know that Ukraine and EU were making a deal about free trade and more open movement [1]. There are are tons of people in Ukraine who are seeing EU as a new chance to get better life, the way develope country even more. This wasn't Putin's favor ofcourse, mostly because important gas pipes are going through Ukraine [2]. Like we know, Russian economy depends vastly about natural gas. What you blame US for an oil war, well, here you got a gas war. And I will underline, like US citizens are not able to stop their military actions, it's totally same story for russians. Only difference is, that the are huge protests in US by it's own citizens about military conflict whereas I hear no sound about Russian citizens.

To make a some conclusion, the leader you are looking up to is a total dick. As long as normal russian citizens are giving their support to Putin, as long you will live in misery.

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As a side note your questions about why there are US political persons in Ukraine. Well, this is totally normal. I'm sure there are political leaders from several other countries too. Just like in Finland, whatever country in EU, there are plenty of foreing political persons in others' country, and that is normal. As for Ukraine, they really want to make a warm relationship to west, there are political persons from west in Ukraine, and also west have political persons from Ukraine. That simply. There are even US political persons in Russia.

[1] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-25108022
[2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/RUGasPipesMap.jpg

[DonNicko]

Osakasa, thanks for a good answer, yes I agree with you. But there is one point. Every country has politics from other countries. But in Ukraine USA politics didn't just visit it. They openly supported this maidan. Also there is video where people from maidan asking money for being there, son of Baiden became one of the director of ukrainian oil company right that time. But gas foundation are in Donbass. If you will try to search, you will find how strong USA supported this revolution in Ukraine. Same as in Georgia and Moldova.

[Xant]

Yes, poor Russia, USA is really the reason it must war against its neighbors. I would copypaste the russia comic but I'm on a phone so imagine it's here.

[Tibe]

Osakasa, thanks for a good answer, yes I agree with you. But there is one point. Every country has politics from other countries. But in Ukraine USA politics didn't just visit it. They openly supported this maidan. Also there is video where people from maidan asking money for being there, son of Baiden became one of the director of ukrainian oil company right that time. But gas foundation are in Donbass. If you will try to search, you will find how strong USA supported this revolution in Ukraine. Same as in Georgia and Moldova.

Research whose sources? You do realise there's also pilots and ex-CIA employees with "inside info" even claiming that the planes never hit the twin towers and they say that their claims are based on strong facts and scientific evidence. Despite thousands of videos and quite undeniable certain facts saying that they did. As far as I know the greatest truth(that any normal person with little inside info can get their hands on) in these things is the conclusion that they always come to first. All other conclusions and articles AND books that come later with people saying "the truth" and people "with inside info" is generally always bullshit and payed by someone. Even if the conclusion sounds logical, its generally not. That, my russian friend, is why we think you are dumb.

Honestly doing search about Maidan at this point is absolutely pointless. By now the Kremlin and probably every other anti-Western consipracytheorist and organisation with money has payed millions and millions to thousands of people to write and claim wrong info. You will never find the correct and truthful info about it now.

[Osakasa]

If you will try to search, you will find how strong USA supported this revolution in Ukraine. Same as in Georgia and Moldova.

Yes, I didn't find any result how USA is supporing this revolution and such but i did find that there is an oil company in Simferopol, Crimea [1][2]. It seems, this oil company is currently being annexed.

[1] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C
[2] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%84%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7

[DonNicko]

Yes, I didn't find any result how USA is supporing this revolution and such but i did find that there is an oil company in Simferopol, Crimea [1][2]. It seems, this oil company is currently being annexed.

[1] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C
[2] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%84%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7

Ok I will help you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkAjnMtazDE
that was before revolution happened

[DaveUKR]

Ok I will help you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkAjnMtazDE
that was before revolution happened

Yep, have you watched the video that you posted? The title has nothing common with the content. Or maybe it's just another dark cyan with orange stripes diploma specialist who translated it.

If you mean that Ukraine received aid from some source during Maidan, then actually Russia gave Ukraine some money during that time (billions of $ IIRC). Basically means Russia sponsored Maidan in Ukraine.

MIND => BLOWN.

[Molly]

Posts video of speaker saying "We think police violence is bad, mmmkay! Keep applying and working towards the EU. We think that's cool!"
Expects people to see "They started the riot!"

Best bit "that was before revolution happened" when the speech clearly happened while Maidan protests were already running.

Seriously, how silly are you?

[DonNicko]

Posts video of speaker saying "We think police violence is bad, mmmkay! Keep applying and working towards the EU. We think that's cool!"
Expects people to see "They started the riot!"

Best bit "that was before revolution happened" when the speech clearly happened while Maidan protests were already running.

Seriously, how silly are you?

You stupid molly, because first when militia beat people was before revolution, you don't even know how it was and trying to argue 
You just showed your stupidness ahahaha