Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Xant]

Well sharing the largest European land border with RF and being a potential NATO member I'd say you are hardly goiny to be coming from an objective standpoint.

Ukraine isn't left alone and has recieved support from NATO & EU countries, any direct military intervention would end in a diplomatic disaster and more violence.

Wow, I wasn't aware I was literally Finland.

[Lt_Anders]

Wow, I wasn't aware I was literally Finland.

ur a drukn fabazz.

[Tibe]

ur a drukn fabazz.

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[DaveUKR]

  why not. Ukraine already has the best army on the continent, it's time to move on and become a nuclear power, and then into space... to Mars, you have the potential 

Ukraine has acceded to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine inherited about 5,000 nuclear weapons when it became independent from the Soviet Union in 1991, making its nuclear arsenal the third-largest in the world.[83] By 1996, Ukraine had voluntarily disposed of all nuclear weapons within its territory, disassembling them in Russia.[84]


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[Kuujis]

Ukraine has acceded to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine inherited about 5,000 nuclear weapons when it became independent from the Soviet Union in 1991, making its nuclear arsenal the third-largest in the world.[83] By 1996, Ukraine had voluntarily disposed of all nuclear weapons within its territory, disassembling them in Russia.[84]


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This is TRAINING. For when you need to save Kursk 2 and have nothing more than a bucket and a shovel!

[Vovka]

Ukraine inherited about 5,000 nuclear weapons when it became independent from the Soviet Union in 1991, making its nuclear arsenal the third-largest in the world.[83]

it's not about how many u had, but how soon it all will appears in the pawnshop of East and Africa 

[Piok]

Ukraine has acceded to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine inherited about 5,000 nuclear weapons when it became independent from the Soviet Union in 1991, making its nuclear arsenal the third-largest in the world.[83] By 1996, Ukraine had voluntarily disposed of all nuclear weapons within its territory, disassembling them in Russia.[84]


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At least they are not coloring grass with green dye to make it look more fresh
Common practice in one  glorious NATO  army before it go full retard ..err PRO.     

[Paul]

it's not about how many u had, but how soon it all will appears in the pawnshop of East and Africa 

Well, they shipped them back to Russia in exchange for the promise that they'll respect their borders in the future(Budapest Memorandum).

Bottom line is hold onto your nukes no matter what.

[Vovka]

Well, they shipped them back to Russia in exchange for the promise that they'll respect their borders in the future(Budapest Memorandum).
Bottom line is hold onto your nukes no matter what.

we respect their borders  now even more than before 

[Casimir]

Wow, I wasn't aware I was literally Finland.

Yeah thats exactly what I'm saying, although your arrogance is enough for the entire country to be sure. Obviously your nationality has no impact on your views, unlike those filthy brainwashed russians, and clearly it is not "anything to do with anything".

But then again, having had no experience of Kremlin politics affecting you or your country in a significant way, you can hardly be objective as well.

No and I've never claimed to be objective, simply offering a different view point and interprtation of this crisis.  NATO declared a desire to form a strategic partnership with RF while also unifying continental powers in a military alliance, aims that were incompatible in the real world and were criticised before the 1993 debates. Michael Rühle, Head of NATO’s Energy Security section, wrote a very good article on this: http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2014/russia-ukraine-nato-crisis/nato-enlargement-russia/en/index.htm

I'm not a Putin appolgist or some kind of slavophile, I just believe the deterioration in NATO-RF relations is not as clear cut as some would portray it. Russia is undoubtedly the  aggressor and bears the brunt of responsibility for this breakdown, but the west is not blameless.

[DaveUKR]

Well, they shipped them back to Russia in exchange for the promise that they'll respect their borders in the future(Budapest Memorandum).

Bottom line is hold onto your nukes no matter what.

Well besides that Putin confessed that they were ready to use nuclear weapons in case of military conflict in Crimea (but they were sure there would be no military conflict huehuehue). Well, just a good side note not to make any deals with Russia.

[Xant]

Yeah thats exactly what I'm saying, although your arrogance is enough for the entire country to be sure. Obviously your nationality has no impact on your views, unlike those filthy brainwashed russians, and clearly it is not "anything to do with anything".

Yes, precisely. Why would my nationality have anything to do with my views?

1) Finland has nothing to fear from Russia. Finland is not Ukraine, and Russia knows it. There are no split loyalties here. Finland has successfully fought off Russia before. Finland has nothing that is important enough for Russia to lose all the men, resources and international standing it would take to wage a successful war. And that's not taking into account the perfect terrain for guerrilla war, the highest defense willingness in the Western world, the amount of guns owned by the population and the focus on guerrilla training in the military and the fact that pretty much every man knows how to shoot and work in squads. Unless Finland steals a nuke and uses it against Russia, they're not attacking.
2) I'm not a retarded nationalist. I am not my country. I did not choose to be born in Finland. I don't have tribalist feelings for my "fellow countrymen" just because they're "Finnish" and I'm "Finnish."

I'm very sorry if not being a nationalist is supremely hard for you to understand, must be a hard life getting offended for your country all the time. But I guess it pays off when you can celebrate your "country" winning a football match and act like you had a hand in it.

[Osakasa]

1) Finland has nothing to fear from Russia.

Yes there are.

Finland is not Ukraine, and Russia knows it. There are no split loyalties here.

Not yet, but there are enough socialist and leftist fuckers that still live in what we call 60'. Natoon.

Finland has successfully fought off Russia before.

Yes, that was like 70 years ago and totally different generation. Now current western kid drink Red Bull, eat McDonald's and exercise by watching action movies from Netflix.

Finland has nothing that is important enough for Russia to lose all the men, resources and international standing it would take to wage a successful war.

Yes there are, fresh nature, fresh lake water and all the infrastructures already build just to annex. Natoon.

And that's not taking into account the perfect terrain for guerrilla war, the highest defense willingness in the Western world

Yes, perfect and good terrain for guerrilla war, still i would move another country if there was war in Finland. Fuck wars, I'm too old for war'ing and shooting somewhere in deep forest eating shit food. Plus i have too much to lose irl, just to play some wargame, meh, sounds boring to me. and btw: Natoon.

, the amount of guns owned by the population and the focus on guerrilla training in the military and the fact that pretty much every man knows how to shoot and work in squads.

Yes, there are plenty of guns and knives in Finland, still last time i shot with a rifle was like 10 years ago... Much soldier, such shooting skill. Natoon.

Unless Finland steals a nuke and uses it against Russia, they're not attacking.

Nukes are bad, mm'key. don't use them. Go check Steam, all the Fallout game there show the aftermatch world is bad, not good, mmkey.

2) I'm not a retarded nationalist. I am not my country. I did not choose to be born in Finland. I don't have tribalist feelings for my "fellow countrymen" just because they're "Finnish" and I'm "Finnish."

I'm very sorry if not being a nationalist is supremely hard for you to understand, must be a hard life getting offended for your country all the time. But I guess it pays off when you can celebrate your "country" winning a football match and act like you had a hand in it.

Too lazy and gotta leave home, work time over. weekend, fun fun fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FKGqA8t18M

[Leshma]

What makes you think Russia will have chance at conquering Finland today, when they couldn't do it when they were strongest?

[Oberyn]

It always make me laugh when I see people sooo proud of not being tribalistic. You're the weird abberation, not "nationalists". You only have the luxury of seeing yourself entirely as an individual because a chain of your ancestors stretching back to the dawn of humanity did not. Tribalism, collective social constructs were an evolutionary advantage, and I'd argue still are.