Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Kuujis]

Geopolitics. And they made a lot of mistakes which tries to improve. For the beginning they supported Saddam and his war against Iran. And so on.

Why don't you create a thread about US and stick to it? NEWSFLASH - there is a significant lack of support for warmongering, that US has been displaying recently in middle east, but it is in NO FUCKING WAY related to Ukraine. Unless of course your are a russian sheeple trying to justify the bullshit that your shit-country is creating... This is Step 3 IIRC?

On the funneh side - my deep ***HINTHINT*** respects to Swedes for pioneering new form of defense against ruskies: http://www.svenskafreds.se/singingsailor/

[Vovka]

whether there experts on domestic issues Macedonia? )

[LordBerenger]

Made me think of Tovi and others

[DaveUKR]

Made me think of Tovi and others

No, they're just retarded. Nobody would pay for such "quality" posts.

[LordBerenger]

No, they're just retarded. Nobody would pay for such "quality" posts.

Well the RT loving trolls and ones spamming Vice videos comments too

[Xant]

No, they're just retarded. Nobody would pay for such "quality" posts.

You think there's any not retarded Russians for hire for such positions?

[Casimir]

You think there's any not retarded Russians?

ftfy

[DonNicko]

Was Iraq a wealthy and prosperous nation before Saddam and his war against Iran?

And was Iraq a wealthy and prosperous nation before WW2?

Final question. Was Iraq a wealthy and prosperous nation before the USA became a political entity in the 18th Century?

those countries were bad, because of that USA and EU involved there and made them better. No. they made them worse much worse.

Seems you don't read previous messages, then I gave it for you. Now try to find where I said about a wealthy and prosperous nation, before you were objective, now you showed your true face

[Leshma]

Was Iraq a wealthy and prosperous nation before Saddam and his war against Iran?

And was Iraq a wealthy and prosperous nation before WW2?

Final question. Was Iraq a wealthy and prosperous nation before the USA became a political entity in the 18th Century?

Yes it was.

[Xant]

Seems you don't read previous messages, then I gave it for you. Now try to find where I said about a wealthy and prosperous nation, before you were objective, now you showed your true face

Yes because a dictator killing whoever he wants with complete power and starting wars against neighboring countries was so much better.

[DonNicko]

Yes because a dictator killing whoever he wants with complete power and starting wars against neighboring countries was so much better.

But who helped him to become so? USA

[Osakasa]

But who helped him to become so? USA

If you really try to simplify Iraq-Iran war saying "because USA", you are making a huge error. This war is extremely complex and for sure there is no good vs evil in this. Iraq used chemical weapons, Iran used kid soldiers. This really isn't a war made by USA. And nice little fact about this war:
"Iraq's three main suppliers of weaponry during the war were the Soviet Union followed by China and then France. It also acquired substantial arms from Portugal." [1]
You see, Soviet Union and USA supplied same country (Iraq)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_combatants_in_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

[Tibe]

But who helped him to become so? USA

It was the Cold War back then. The rules were different. Even USSR aided massmurdering dictators come to power back than. And its not like during that time period the Arab countries picked their president, all governing in the middle East was done by force. It was a different time.

And I personally support anti-Iran stance. I dont really know what they do now, but Iran used to be a very good country before the Islam revolution. True, the Western powers created a coop and puppeted it. But it had good education and intellectuality. Than they took their country back and replaced it with an extremely violent authoricratic rule. Which exsists to this day. Iran wasnt ruined by the West, you dumbass. Iran was basically built and modernized by the West(sure for personal gains) and than it was taken back by angry muslims and all that was used to oppress their own people.

[DonNicko]

I read previous messages, and you did not call them wealthy or prosperous, that is why I asked my questions. Rather than doing the normal cRPG forum technique of inventing something you've never said and running with it.

I don't think it's possible for me to be objective, only having lived in the west. So I certainly wasn't objective before. I appreciate that I may not being seeing the other side of the coin here, but if the other side of the coin involves Russia's entitlement to conquer because other nations did bad things in the past too (which some here seem to be claiming), then frankly I don't want to see the other side of the coin.

Our nation's done shit things in the past, we try to learn from them and be sufficiently outraged at our government when they do it. Not use it to justify further acts.

Heskey, my nation made a lot of shit too, especially in USSR. Why we started to talk about, because I gave my opinion that Ukraine is a geopolitical conflict between Russia and USA. And we got so deep, because others don't want to see USA involvement. Nebun said how it was in Moldova. And it was same scenario. When I say about Belarus, that there were attempts to do same revolutions(Lukashenko said it by himself). People started to say that he is a dictator. Such a lame, when I ask people to find what people think, they start to say that Russia is evil. And so on.  Nobody wants to see USA involvement. that's I call good western propoganda

[Tibe]

"The West definately ruined a lot of countries, I dont know how or even why, but if I think real hard I'l figure it out. And if I research real hard I might even find some completely random facts which I could pull off as evidence cause I just dont know any better"

 - every pro-east dude in this thread

Im done.