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Offline Nebun

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9735 on: May 12, 2015, 02:09:53 pm »
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Since you're so big on 'proof' all of a sudden this page then, explain how you have decided that Hitler would have committed genocide against the people of England. I assume you have a source for this, rather than your own half-baked musings.

Bearing in mind that:
1. Prisoners or war from the UK were largely well-treated as expected for the time, unlike the Nazi policy towards Russian 'prisoners'.
2. Going by race-theory of the time, it was thought back in the 1940s that the population of England was nearly entirely descended from Germanic Anglo-Saxons who migrated between the years 400-500ish AD. That theory was far more prevalent then than it is now.

So when you call something 'a ton of bullshit', perhaps you would care to share your source that says otherwise, because if you don't then you may accidentally create the impression that you're just talking out of your ass.

then even by ur own words "unlike the Nazi policy towards Russian 'prisoners'." where would that be any better for russians in a long run? Mostly policy towards russian prisoners/ ah and not only prisoners was to kill everyone. Maybe thats why 20 mil of population died comparing to 7 mil of military deaths. Yes germans had few camps for russians, in some they killed them daily, because was too difficult to kill all in one day, and other was labor camps, when they filled up no more prisoners needed, if possible all killed on sight.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9736 on: May 12, 2015, 02:11:16 pm »
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I think i get ur concept. For the sake of better economy in russian lands chocolate chip cookie had to kill all of them and repopulate with their own and friends? sounds like a shitty deal for russians.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9737 on: May 12, 2015, 02:16:41 pm »
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nah maybe ur country next time :)

on the other hand maybe Heskey should be more worried of his own country :)
"Oil find near Gatwick airport boosts UK's oil production hopes" http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/09/uk-britain-oil-gatwick-idUKKBN0N00JU20150409
US may find u not democratic enough and decide to get involved :))))
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« Reply #9738 on: May 12, 2015, 02:19:25 pm »
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You do know that there are other tools in your russian toolbox, you don't have to keep using #3 ALL  the time

its interesting that u keep finding it funny :)
go ask ur mom to let u play in the garden, its fun too, but don't eat shit from the ground, people might find out that u stupid
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9739 on: May 12, 2015, 02:20:40 pm »
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Exactly, i'm under no delusions of what the fate of Eastern Europeans would be under Hitler, what i'm disputing is that actual sentence you said:

u must be joking right? they would probably slaughter all the brits too! U should read some of the einsteins ideas on the subject of other nations!

He had no plans to slaughter all the Brits, he'd be a monster of a dictator and kill all our minorities but we were still well within his racial scope if you're sticking with *that* particular accusation.

Sounds like a pretty great deal for everyone else though

i said probably, no strong nation would easily submit, the only way they would be able to do it is with murder
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« Reply #9740 on: May 12, 2015, 02:24:58 pm »
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or i'm mistaken on strong nations

its just has been habit of russia not to submit, well after the mongols
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« Reply #9741 on: May 12, 2015, 02:40:43 pm »
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other countries was given a choice before they got conquered? I'm not talking about those that joined willingly.
russia would not submit to occupation even if they given choice, different mentality
if there is no question about occupation then i guess it could come to deals, like in many wars with ottoman empire, and mongols, afganistan, rus jap war, war with sweeds and other in europe.
to be honest i don't think that british or US would give up as easy as other eu countries if they would be given a choice, i know some countries sizes matter, but some almost didn't put up a fight at all.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9742 on: May 12, 2015, 02:59:13 pm »
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nah maybe ur country next time :)
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9743 on: May 12, 2015, 03:02:57 pm »
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Oh the topic of the WW2 and WW1.

If it wasn't for RUSSIAN actions just before WW1 (Russian back separatists killed Austrian Arch-Duke) WW1 would not have "really" gone off. Then, in '39 Russia was AGAIN an aggressor in starting the war.

Fun Fact: Most American Generals wanted to attack the Russians because of their early involvement in the war and the subsequent expected results of what would happen after, but the US was happy to end the war with some Nuclear Bombs and say: "Enough!"

Fun Fact: American public education system is garbage. Thanks for reminding us.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9744 on: May 12, 2015, 03:12:00 pm »
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DEAD END! :) if thats where u get ur info from there is nothing to talk about, they forgot to mention proofs, and was it soldiers or volunteers, was them russian or DNR? i know that there are volunteers and there is or was squad from chechnia and that squad might have been sent by their lider, because he just does whatever the fuck he wants, but if there would be regular russian army in DNG then everything would end in 1 day.

God you are actually thick, this was even reported on reuters, the website you just linked. Really no point discussing with you if you refuse to listen to other points of view and continue to stick your head in the sand.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9745 on: May 12, 2015, 03:29:35 pm »
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I've read a lot in US, EU, Ukrainian and Russian media, but main source is just finding less popular videos on u tube or international info on brics or other financial sites, also i watched all meetings with EU representatives that talked to putin, they all said their opinion in every speach and so on, i consider everything
there is just a lot of unconfirmed and not logical bullshit. U think completely one sided.
otherwise i wouldn't agree earlier that both sides shooting each other while there is a cease fire in effect, i've seen lots of videos back then when DNR artillery guy was discussing who is shooting and where from, and he said and its even on video they being shoot at and they also shoot.
there also was a situation unconfirmed, where russian artillery shoot at UKRs from the border of UKR and RUS, some regular ppl who lived near by said yes, some said no, so probably more yes then no, it was one time
but when UKRS crossed russian border everyone said no it never happened, or shoot border road block, west also said it never happend and that only DNR provoking and shooting UKR, this is all onesided bullshit.
and yes, how about Odessa? people burned themseves in building? u really believe that?
watch the videos, not popular of just whats happening, and not only those that u like but all of them, then maybe u will form proper opinion
ah yes u don't know their language so i guess u will never find out
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9746 on: May 12, 2015, 03:36:36 pm »
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Fun Fact: American public education system is garbage. Thanks for reminding us.

Fun Fact: youre still a cunt that nobody wants to listen to or hear from, crawl back into your third world country shit hole and cry about Armenians or something.  Thanks for reminding us youre still alive, wish you werent. 

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This whole argument shit with the ruskies is futile, it goes nowhere.  They claim they have some sort of broad all seeing fucking eyes, unbiased and all knowing from the obscure websites and youtube videos they watch, only picking granules of information from the west or east "propaganda news".  Then come in here and shoot shit at the EU/NA community and tell us how chest pounding and intelligent the Russians are and how wrong and one sided we are. 

Just think about it, the whole world thinks you are wrong, but only you believe you are right.  Maybe you should truly look at it from the other side, maybe using your superior brain mass and eyes would give you the advantage.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9747 on: May 12, 2015, 03:43:09 pm »
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God you are actually thick, this was even reported on reuters, the website you just linked. Really no point discussing with you if you refuse to listen to other points of view and continue to stick your head in the sand.
Lol it's not "Nemcov report" he did not write and did not even started write it before his dead, everything was in the idea stage. http://www.putin-itogi.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Putin.Voina_.pdf
They called it the "Report of the independent experts" have not read to the end. but Article There is not a handwritten record Nemtsov, except for one available on the Internet (the death of 17 Marines). Everything else is taken from the Internet, questioning prisoners tankers, burnt Buryat and so on.

Fun Fact: youre still a cunt that nobody wants to listen to or hear from, crawl back into your third world country shit hole and cry about Armenians or something.  Thanks for reminding us youre still alive, wish you werent. 
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Go and visit your Indians friends , remind them how merciful were your ancestors that gave them the land on which they live now. 
Then you can go to your nigga friends and remind them who freed them from slavery.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #9748 on: May 12, 2015, 03:54:57 pm »
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Just think about it, the whole world thinks you are wrong, but only you believe you are right.  Maybe you should truly look at it from the other side, maybe using your superior brain mass and eyes would give you the advantage.
Well, why americans think that their opinion is the whole world's one.

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« Reply #9749 on: May 12, 2015, 03:58:32 pm »
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Go and visit your Indians friends , remind them how merciful were your ancestors that gave them the land on which they live now. 
Then you can go to your nigga friends and remind them who freed them from slavery.

The Russian conquest of Siberia began in July 1580 when some 540 Cossacks under Yermak Timofeyevich invaded the territory of the Voguls, subjects to Küçüm, the Khan of Siberia. They were accompanied by 300 Lithuanian and German slave laborers, whom the Stroganovs had purchased from the Tsar. Throughout 1581, this force traversed the territory known as Yugra and subdued Vogul and Ostyak towns. At this time, they also captured a tax collector of Küçüm.

The Russian conquest of Siberia was accompanied by massacres due to indigenous resistance to colonization by the Russian Cossacks, who savagely crushed the natives. At the hands of people like Vasilii Poyarkov in 1645 and Yerofei Khabarov in 1650 some peoples like the Daur were slaughtered by the Russians to the extent that it is considered genocide. 8,000 out of a previously 20,000 strong population in Kamchatka remained after being subjected to half a century of Cossacks slaughter. The Daurs initially deserted their villages since they heard about the cruelty of the Russians the first time Khabarov came. The second time he came, the Daurs decided to do battle against the Russians instead but were slaughtered by Russian guns. In the 17th century, indigenous peoples of the Amur region were attacked by Russians who came to be known as "red-beards". The Russian Cossacks were named luocha (羅剎), after Demons found in Buddhist mythology, by the Amur natives because of their cruelty towards them, who were subjects of the Qing dynasty during the Sino–Russian border conflicts.

In the 1640s the Yakuts were subjected to slaughters during the Russian advance into their land near the Lena river, and on Kamchatka in the 1690s the Koryak, Kamchadals, and Chukchi were also subjected to slaughters by the Russians. When the Russians did not obtain the demanded amount of yasak from the natives, the Governor of Yakutsk, Piotr Golovin, who was a Cossack, used meat hooks to hang the native men. In the Lena basin, 70% of the Yakut population died within 40 years, and rape and enslavement were used against native women and children in order to force the natives to pay the Yasak.

After the Russian defeat in 1729 at Chukchi hands, the Russian commander Major Pavlutskiy was responsible for the Russian war against the Chukchi and the mass slaughters and enslavement of Chukchi women and children in 1730-31, but his cruelty only made the Chukchis fight more fiercely. A genocide of the Chukchis and Koraks was ordered by Empress Elizabeth in 1742 to totally expel them from their native lands and erase their culture through war. The command was that the natives be "totally extirpated" with Pavlutskiy leading again in this war from 1744-47 in which he led to the Cossacks "with the help of Almighty God and to the good fortune of Her Imperial Highness", to slaughter the Chukchi men and enslave their women and children as booty. However the Chukchi ended this campaign and forced them to give up by killing Pavlitskiy and decapitating him. The Russians were also launching wars and slaughters against the Koraks in 1744 and 1753-4. After the Russians tried to force the natives to convert to Christianity, the different native peoples like the Koraks, Chukchis, Itelmens, and Yukagirs all united to drive the Russians out of their land in the 1740s, culminating in the assault on Nizhnekamchatsk fort in 1746. Kamchatka today is European in demographics and culture with only 2.5% of it being native, around 10,000 from a previous number of 150,000, due to the mass slaughters by the Cossacks after its annexation in 1697 of the Itelmen and Koryaks throughout the first decades of Russian rule. The genocide by the Russian Cossacks devastated the native peoples of Kamchatka and exterminated much of their population. In addition to committing genocide the Cossacks also devastated the wildlife by slaughtering massive amounts of animals for fur. 90% of the Kamchadals and half of the Vogules were killed from the eighteenth to nineteenth centuries and the rapid genocide of the indigenous population led to entire ethnic groups being entirely wiped out, with around 12 exterminated groups which could be named by Nikolai Iadrintsev as of 1882. Much of the slaughter was brought on by the fur trade.


But but, but wait, dirty Americans kill redmans! they steal their land, dirty Americans worse then Russia, Russia din do nuffin!

Well, why americans think that their opinion is the whole world's one.

we dont?  where do you guys get this shit from.
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