Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Nebun]

Well I gave Vovka some good reading while he is at work Time to leave the retard land

[Xant]

Well I gave Vovka some good reading while he is at work Time to leave the retard land

You're moving into a proper western country? Good for you!

[Lt_Anders]

Originally wrote a whole bunch about these and economies, and then closed the wrong tab. So I'll just post them by themselves without as much commentary.

Also, as far as economics go, Russia is OVERLY reliant on Gas exports(60% of exports).

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/europe/europe/2015-02/10/c_127477062.htm
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/30/us-russia-crisis-cenbank-rates-idUSKBN0L311Q20150130
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-13/russia-2014-gas-exports-seen-lowest-in-decade-as-nations-cut-use

Also:
OPEC hates Russia since Russia ruins OPEC margins>OPEC lowers gas prices to smother Russia.

[Thomek]

Ok im outta here

GLHF!

[Vovka]

[Kuujis]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32137302

[Vibe]

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[The_Bloody_Nine]

http://qz.com/376743/how-norway-lost-control-of-its-own-secret-500-million-arctic-navy-base/

pretty dumb

[Kalam]

http://qz.com/376743/how-norway-lost-control-of-its-own-secret-500-million-arctic-navy-base/

pretty dumb

With hindsight, sure.

[Oberyn]

Yeah, who could possibly have guessed that Norway would ever have an interest in mantaining some sort of presence in a strategically important area.

[Thomek]

Guys, i left this thread, but I will comment on this specific topic..

Yeah, it was stupid, but the Norwegian army has been transformed from fighting russians to fighting terrorists. What use is some sub pens in the arctic if you want to fight terrorists rite?? Russia is our friend rite??? rite??

Turns out Russia is convinced that NATO is out to get them. (Even though there has been massive disarmament on NATO's side.)

Me.. idk how much help some sub pens are in a war with Russia.  Perhaps Einstein was right: (And I mean Einstein not einstein.)

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“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”


Any full on war between NATO and Russia will be the last war, and very stupid from any point of view. It's unthinkable, unless a very insane and suicidal madman is pushing the button. Putin is not insane, and certainly not suicidal. In todays situation, conventional war between nuclear superpowers can only happen on a small scale before escalating, and therefore it must be fought via proxies like Ukraine.

A war in Norway, NATO territory or Russian territory is extremely unlikely.

Nothing new, just like in the cold war.

[Tibe]

Its kinda odd that Russia thinks that NATO is out to get them. The really crappy part is that majority of Russias trainingexercises near natos borders are basically invasiondrills, with fuckton of soldiers and equipment + fully armed missiles pointed at some of natos allies. Natos trainingexercises near Russia are generally mainly joint defence drills with significantly less troops and equipment + defensive missileshields.

Beond just expanding eastward, I just dont see how nato is threatening Russia more than it is threatening them....

[Xant]

"Russia" isn't actually afraid of that or they wouldn't have dared to do the Ukraine thing etc. It's just some red herring for their own citizens so they don't notice all the things wrong within their borders. A very classic move used by many dictators in the past.

[Mala]

Its kinda odd that Russia thinks that NATO is out to get them. The really crappy part is that majority of Russias trainingexercises near natos borders are basically invasiondrills...

back then us were told that this comes from lessons of the past wars. the main idea is to bring the war as fast as possible to the territory of the attacker.

[Vovka]

"Russia" isn't actually afraid of that or they wouldn't have dared to do the Ukraine thing etc. It's just some red herring for their own citizens so they don't notice all the things wrong within their borders. A very classic move used by many dictators in the past.

Looks like Russia is a red herring for whole europe nowadays  By the way, every day I feel more and more Scandinavia as part of the Russian world, illegally seized from my ancestors

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-nordic-nations-baltic-ukraine-/26948181.html