Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Molly]

And I disagree, but, you're correct. Japan was on the veirge, but at the same time, they had clearly no intention of surrendering. "What if" is a bad scenario to discuss about somethings because no matter which way you argue, both could be legitimate with just the right information.

Thomek is correct tho. Last time I read into it, historians are on 2 different sides on the question if it was actually necessary or just scientific/warfare curiosity.

[Lt_Anders]

Thomek is correct tho. Last time I read into it, historians are on 2 different sides on the question if it was actually necessary or just scientific/warfare curiosity.

Never said I disagreed with that did I. I disagreed with the fact that it wasn't necessary. I've read quite a lot about it, as WW2 is one of my "interests" in history.

[Xant]

Either way, Japan started the war with US pretty much unprovoked and the US was just finished fighting in Europe. Fuck that shit, why should they want thousands and thousands more of their citizens to die just to save some Japanese sensibilities? They might have had other motives (like showing off their power), but the reality is that they saved a lot of their own people with it and they didn't start the war.

[Nebun]

) If there was nothing in media when revolution and illegal election of new president happend, its logical. Media turns on to show HOW BAD RUSSIANS ARE, after their reaction )
Media didn't show anything that happened in moldova too. Simple clear change.
Ok then if US doesn't try to push borders of Nato and has no interest in Ukraine, in big country bordering RF. Then why they bothered with moldova that is on border with ukraine?
Ah yes they didn't tell u on news that they have interest in our country. Then they don't. I'm just lying here. What do i know about whats happening over here when u have a clear picture from another continent.

[Nebun]

all this conversations so much fun and doesn't change anything

[DonNicko]

Need to 1000 pages record. Son of Biden is a new director of huge oil company in Ukraine, visiting of many USA politics to Ukraine. No they don't have any interests. One of richest men in USA wants to buy all debts of Ukraine. He is just so kind 

[Nebun]

i don't know if any of you read this book!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
http://www.takeoverworld.info/Grand_Chessboard.pdf

should give u some nice reading about interests of US

[Thomek]

Right now, the Ukrainians are cornered.

They will do anything to be supported through this ordeal. But the good thing is that EU/US also wants a strong (west aligned) Ukraine, so their goals are united.

The problem is that RF + Separatists can keep the knife in their side there as long as they wish to. And they will twist it as they see fit.

@Nebun
Brzezinski is an extreme hawk. Russia has their hawks too.. Doesn't mean all that much in the real world.

[Nebun]

Right now, the Ukrainians are cornered.

They will do anything to be supported through this ordeal. But the good thing is that EU/US also wants a strong (west aligned) Ukraine, so their goals are united.

The problem is that RF + Separatists can keep the knife in their side there as long as they wish to. And they will twist it as they see fit.

@Nebun
Brzezinski is an extreme hawk. Russia has their hawks too.. Doesn't mean all that much in the real world.

ye u know better
but how about those things that come true over the years after the book, in those years when he said it would happen?

so maybe he knows a little more the couch warrior in politics

[Swaggart]

Wait wait wait, Russia stopped the US from attacking Syria?

The US never had any intention of attacking Syria, if it did it would've done so already. Assad is still in power in Syria because the US realized the moderate Syrian opposition would be overrun by Islamists sooner or later. If anything, Russia gave the US a way out which it gladly accepted.

[Nebun]

Wait wait wait, Russia stopped the US from attacking Syria?

The US never had any intention of attacking Syria, if it did it would've done so already. Assad is still in power in Syria because the US realized the moderate Syrian opposition would be overrun by Islamists sooner or later. If anything, Russia gave the US a way out which it gladly accepted.

Haha what an interesting story, type in google: Russian and Chinese vetoes of Syria ICC resolution
Obama tried to convince UN to use force in Syria because he had made up proofs that was rejected later by UN as false proofs.
And Putin tried to convince UN not to let US and allies attack Syria.
U can find all speaches and dialogues and statements on youtube.

PS: all US is doing right now is supplying Islamists in Syria with mercs and equipment. Instead of full scale war.

[Swaggart]

If the US seriously wanted to topple Assad they would not have went through the UN where they knew it would lead them nowhere. They have many times acted unilaterally in what they perceive to be their self interest, and there is no reason to believe they wouldn't have if they truly wanted Assad gone.

[Thomek]

Like I stated previously, they had already set the media and opinions to hate on Assad. They couldn't turn around as quickly as the situation on the ground in syria did. Would make them look weak, and thats not possible in US media landscape.

So they had to pretend that they wanted to attack syria for a good long while.

They kind of still mumble on about Assad, but in reality they are bombing IS inside syria.. practically being his ally.

[Nebun]

i disagree

[Nebun]

i was so wrong it did happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJbFUvmmnbk