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Will Putin command further invasion of Ukraine:

He will and he should, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will, but he should not, because <random witty/boring reason>
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Offline Turkhammer

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8790 on: March 26, 2015, 08:06:34 pm »
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already read this morning) on the president elections my voice belongs to him )

it's time to return the native Mexican lands to Mexicans  :P

Nope, that territory was acquired by a peace treaty and the US never agreed to recognize it's independence after that point.  Failed comparison to Russia/Ukraine situation.  Try again.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8791 on: March 26, 2015, 09:25:32 pm »
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Nope, that territory was acquired by a peace treaty and the US never agreed to recognize it's independence after that point.  Failed comparison to Russia/Ukraine situation.  Try again.

There's still the case of occupied North Texas.

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« Reply #8792 on: March 26, 2015, 09:34:43 pm »
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Show me the people who were placed in their territory by God himself and have no blood on their hands, of the ones who occupied the spot before or their neighbors. Or how about we disregard the classic red herring from Vovka?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8793 on: March 27, 2015, 09:46:41 am »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8795 on: March 27, 2015, 04:42:26 pm »
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Show me the people who were placed in their territory by God himself and have no blood on their hands, of the ones who occupied the spot before or their neighbors.

To the best of our knowledge, Basque. And that's only an example I'm relatively familiar with.

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« Reply #8796 on: March 27, 2015, 05:18:44 pm »
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To the best of our knowledge, Basque. And that's only an example I'm relatively familiar with.
So these people have went against human nature itself since time immemorial?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_conflict

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8797 on: March 27, 2015, 07:21:54 pm »
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The Welsh living in Wales

Celtic isn't native to the british isles. in fact the celts spent a few hundred years spreading out from central Europe in big migrations, covering a huge chunk of western europe. Who were the pre-celtic people of the british isles? What was their language? What did they call themselves?
Xant's point is that any collective tribal identification that survives to this day only does so because of war. This includes language groups. "Abberations" like basque only survived because of geography. Like kurdish and other isolated minorities that are identified primarily with mountainous or hilly territory, or other isolated types of terrain (deserts, out of the way insular, etc) . They weren't always, of course, that's just where the remnants eventually ended up, because the territory was easier to defend or just not worth conquering at all, as the rest of their people were displaced or assimilated. It wasn't some total population replacement genocide all the time (although you'd be surprised at how many were, the genetic data bears it out in certain cases), but think of how many tribal identifications in Europe alone have dissapeared entirely over the last, say, two thousand years. Don't even get me started on the MidEast and the deliberate obliteration of the many pre-Islamic cultures/languages that had existed for thousands of years prior to the arab eruption from the peninsula.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8798 on: March 27, 2015, 08:12:14 pm »
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An interview with a former professional troll employed by the russians to write nonsense at forums.

Maybe more sockpuppets than trolls. Not that this is really news, not sure if the site is credible either.
Just a reminder not to get too worked up by the most ignorant posters :D

The internet is sadly infested now with this plague.

http://www.rferl.mobi/a/how-to-guide-russian-trolling-trolls/26919999.html

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8799 on: March 27, 2015, 08:26:53 pm »
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Xant's point is that any collective tribal identification that survives to this day only does so because of war.
Yup, and they kill each other within the tribal identification as well -- Native American tribe Y exterminated tribe X to take their lands and settled there. Then comes Europeans and exterminate the Native Americans. Who has moral high ground? Nobody. There is no god given land, no people have always existed somewhere peacefully, "by right." Unless that right is might.

So it's ridiculous to talk about what happened in history and how X should return Z to Y. It has no bearing on modern day. In the year of our lord 2015 invasion of other civilized countries is kind of frowned upon, which is why people in general aren't hugely supportive of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Who the true owners of Mexico are is completely beside the point.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8800 on: March 27, 2015, 08:44:15 pm »
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@torost..

Radio Free Europe is not exactly neutral.. pretty much one of the least neutral sources you can find in the west, except insane fox news.. Check out its history on wikipedia.
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That Thomeck-delay-kicking bussiness is like that asshole-retard dude that fucks your sister sometimes.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8801 on: March 27, 2015, 08:50:53 pm »
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Is this the same 'Radio Free Europe' we had until 1993?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Europe/Radio_Liberty#Hungary


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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8802 on: March 27, 2015, 11:31:58 pm »
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Show me the people who were placed in their territory by God himself and have no blood on their hands, of the ones who occupied the spot before or their neighbors. Or how about we disregard the classic red herring from Vovka?
Ukrainians living on the territory of modern Ukraine for the past 20,000 years, of course, some of them migrated to the north (you may know them as the Vikings),  others have gone to Africa, some have gone to the west (the most famous of them  Romulus and Remus) a so on  :P
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8803 on: March 27, 2015, 11:55:48 pm »
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well, there was a thing like migration period 1500 years ago.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8804 on: March 28, 2015, 12:15:49 am »
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Ukrainians living on the territory of modern Ukraine for the past 20,000 years, of course, some of them migrated to the north (you may know them as the Vikings),  others have gone to Africa, some have gone to the west (the most famous of them  Romulus and Remus) a so on  :P
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