Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Mala]

I do not talk about Crimea, but Novorossia. Russia had a military base in Crimea, they don't have to justify their presence there. Does americans need to justify the presence of their troops in Poland, Balts, Rumania etc. ?

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but i talk about crimea because both events are linked.
the merkins holt a nato exercise in the baltics, thats why they have send some troops.

anyway, here is a recent survey of the frankfurter allgemeine zeitung.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/deutsche-geben-putin-schuld-an-ukraine-konflikt-13489423.html
short summary:
55% of all respondents blame russia for the conflict in ukraine, 34% the seperatists, 20% the ukrainian government, 17% the united states and 6% the european union. (multiple answers were possible)
42% fear that the conflict will spread to other regions.

is the reason of the conflict the coup against yanukovych last year? 20% say yes.
7% believe that russia protects the residents in eastern ukraine from the government in kiev.

view of putin, 8% positive opinion, 66% negative opinion.

view of russia
67% see russia as a global power.
87% think that russia plays a important part in world politics.
but 64% have concerns about the stability of russia.

sanctions
39% say keep it, 19% more sanctions, 21% less sanctions
in 01/15 is was 44% for keep or more sanctions and 31% for less sanctions.

[DonNicko]

You are an ignorant twat, I dare say.

If not for russias meddling - there would have been no need for maidan and what followed, but your thick russian headbottom is too stupid to take note of that. EVEN if there was a hint at "illegitimacy" in Ukraine - there were PROPER ellections of both president AND parliament, and you still chase these fucked up ghosts. Go recount votes in your russian shithole, where 143% of voters participating is norm and cleptocracy is "legitimate".

What Russia meddling? I thought people on maidan were against corruption. And if there were proper elections then there weren't be any Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk, who don't know how to rule just increasing the debt.

[Molly]

Even after Putin admitted in front of the camera that he already decided to annex Crimea weeks before any election there, it's still Western propaganda and not true.
And they call us ignorant...

Unbelievable.

[DonNicko]

Even after Putin admitted in front of the camera that he already decided to annex Crimea weeks before any election there, it's still Western propaganda and not true.
And they call us ignorant...

Unbelievable.

What western propoganda? Western propoganda is only about showing one side and try to hide opinion of other. As I remember Putin made this decision after illegal revolution in Kiev, which was supported by USA. As you can see or you can't Kiev do everything what USA say them, Donbass do what Russia says them. As I said before that this is geopolitical game between Russia and USA. Imho Russia could lose control in Crimea, because of that Putin decided to join Crimea to Russia, and that was easy because citizens of Crimea wanted it too.

[Oberyn]

Tovi seems to have forgotten France left NATO and had cordial relations with both the US and the Soviets for quite some time. Worst military occupation ever.

It's a bit (completely) retarded to suggest NATO is some sort of military occupation of Europe headed by the US. While simultaneously calling the countries that actually had to deal with real military occupation from the soviets "haters". Strange how every former soviet republic is non-sensically disliking russian military conquest and expansion for no reason whatsoever. It is a mystery. They must be fascists and neo-chocolate chip cookies.

Also, Hungary? Fucking Hungary is pro-Russian? Yeah, no uprisings there ever put down by masses of russian troops and tanks, no sir. They chaffe so under the complete and total control of NATO military occupation, and long for the sweet days of glorious "partnership" with accomodating, anti-imperialist russkies. 

[Oberyn]

What western propoganda? Western propoganda is only about showing one side and try to hide opinion of other. As I remember Putin made this decision after illegal revolution in Kiev, which was supported by USA. As you can see or you can't Kiev do everything what USA say them, Donbass do what Russia says them. As I said before that this is geopolitical game between Russia and USA. Imho Russia could lose control in Crimea, because of that Putin decided to join Crimea to Russia, and that was easy because citizens of Crimea wanted it too.

We don't hide the "opinions" provided to you by state controlled "journalists". We parade them and laugh at them as the anachronistic early 20th century throwbacks that they are. Keep pretending there isn't a third world style cult of personality built around your dictator for life though.

[DonNicko]

Strange how every former soviet republic is non-sensically disliking russian military conquest and expansion for no reason whatsoever. It is a mystery. They must be fascists and neo-chocolate chip cookies.

Every? Really? As I see people in "occupied" territories are glad to be friendly with Russia - South Osetia, Crimea or Donbass. Can't understand why some western people think that they were against Russia. Or you don't think so

[Oberyn]

Every? Really? As I see people in "occupied" territories are glad to be friendly with Russia - South Osetia, Crimea or Donbass. Can't understand why some western people think that they were against Russia. Or you don't think so

Yeah, I'm sure the russian populations in all the border countries they tried colonizing, destroying entire generations of intellectuals and intelligentsia with the specific goal of eradicating their languages and cultures, and who to this day refuse to integrate or learn the language of the "natives" in any way, would be overjoyed to rejoin Russia. Obviously the "haters" with the misfortune of having in the past shared a land border with Russia, having just seen Ukraine getting picked appart and parceled according to ethnic divisions created by decades, evne hundreds of years in some cases, of russian imperialism have absolutely nothing to fear. Anyways, they're all chocolate chip cookies and fascists that hate russians and want to genocide them.

[Moncho]

Why are you people still trying to reason with them? They have repeatedly showed that it is a useless task that will have no effect on their already established mindsets...

[Kuujis]

What Russia meddling? I thought people on maidan were against corruption. And if there were proper elections then there weren't be any Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk, who don't know how to rule just increasing the debt.

Now THAT is news...

Try harder, you will see much new around you. Especially try looking a bit BEYOND the borders and ideas which are created in the shithole you call russia. Those include "maidan was only about corruption" and "russia was not blackmailing Yanukovich" and the infamous "slav world", which implies that slav countries can't prosper without the shithole russia ruling over them and their interests.

P.S. Even your putler accepted the elections in Ukraine (both of president and rada, AFTER the whole maidan thing), you stray away from the approved political line... please reconsider  And leave these "illegitimacy" ghosts in russias 143% voters districts...

P.P.S. http://www.newsru.com/crime/17mar2015/chocolate chip cookiebeatukrpdmsk.html See what is happening in naztee infested country? Omai... odear... (you will have to replace "chocolate chip cookie" with a proper word for the link to work )

[Tovi]

but i talk about crimea because both events are linked.
the merkins holt a nato exercise in the baltics, thats why they have send some troops.

anyway, here is a recent survey of the frankfurter allgemeine zeitung.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/deutsche-geben-putin-schuld-an-ukraine-konflikt-13489423.html
short summary:
55% of all respondents blame russia for the conflict in ukraine, 34% the seperatists, 20% the ukrainian government, 17% the united states and 6% the european union. (multiple answers were possible)
42% fear that the conflict will spread to other regions.

is the reason of the conflict the coup against yanukovych last year? 20% say yes.
7% believe that russia protects the residents in eastern ukraine from the government in kiev.

view of putin, 8% positive opinion, 66% negative opinion.

view of russia
67% see russia as a global power.
87% think that russia plays a important part in world politics.
but 64% have concerns about the stability of russia.

sanctions
39% say keep it, 19% more sanctions, 21% less sanctions
in 01/15 is was 44% for keep or more sanctions and 31% for less sanctions.

As I said, public opinion in Germany is turning. 55% is a short majority. It's even a surprise considering the western media orientation. Putin telepathy maybe ?
Nobody answered to the possible issue of the conflict. Brainwashed westerners always says : "Putin, Putin, Putin !" , because TV shows the new Monster/einstein/Satan.
Putin or not, separatists don't want to be ukrainians anymore. What do you want ? Kill them all ?

[Xant]

As I said, public opinion in Germany is turning. 55% is a short majority. It's even a surprise considering the western media orientation. Putin telepathy maybe ?
Nobody answered to the possible issue of the conflict. Brainwashed westerners always says : "Putin, Putin, Putin !" , because TV shows the new Monster/einstein/Satan.
Putin or not, separatists don't want to be ukrainians anymore. What do you want ? Kill them all ?

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[AntiBlitz]

separatists don't want to be ukrainians anymore. What do you want ? Kill them all ?

they could just drive like 20km east and be russians in russia, instead of assholes in ukraine.

them to leave and end a absolutely pointless war

sure yes, if it stops the war.  Sometimes you have to separate the wheat from the chaff

[DonNicko]

Yeah, I'm sure the russian populations in all the border countries they tried colonizing, destroying entire generations of intellectuals and intelligentsia with the specific goal of eradicating their languages and cultures, and who to this day refuse to integrate or learn the language of the "natives" in any way, would be overjoyed to rejoin Russia.

Oberyn, really learn history about Ukraine since 9 century, then say, because in this situation it seems stupid

they could just drive like 20km east and be russians in russia, instead of assholes in ukraine.

Piece of good advice. It was necessary only to build houses for several million people

[Leshma]

them to leave and end a absolutely pointless war

Pointless war? There is no such thing. Every modern war is a money making machine.