Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Xant]

Really? That's even more stupid than "Our trained para troopers accidentally crossed the border... despite their map, their compass and their GPS." 

Crossing a border isn't THAT hard to believe. Weird, yeah. Could be a training exercise, whatever. I mean, crossing a border... could happen. But they were 20km into Ukraine... which wouldn't happen. A few hundred meters? Sure. 20km? Nope... and I think the Russians said they weren't on a training exercise (=no GPS, maybe no map/compass) but were in fact a border patrol, which makes it even more lol.

[DonNicko]

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Ukrains watch this video and say how brave soldiers of Ukraine
As for me what they did, I don't know what to say, old woman said that she endured WW2, but didn't see such...

[Andswaru]

She doesnt look old enough to have surivived ww2.... my granny looks alot older than her and she was only a child (8ish at the start) during ww2.
Smells like propaganda video too me.

P.S. Im completely pro no-one both sides are idiots.

Ukraine for believing Russia would let them leave their sphere of influence peacefully especially after Georgia showed Putin wasnt scared of hurting "international feelings".
Russia for been an international bad child again, knowing the US and the rest of the world needs there help in sanactioning countries like Iran and North Korea, so any sancations they suffer wont last too long post conflict so they can do as they please more or less if they are willing to bite the short term pain bullet.

[DonNicko]

She doesnt look old enough to have surivived ww2.... my granny looks alot older than her and she was only a child (8ish at the start) during ww2.
Smells like propaganda video too me.

Of course they are russian actors
BTW my grandpa born before WW2 and he looks much better then she, gens?

[Leshma]

Are there any true Ukrainians left? I thought they all died during Holodomor.

[Kuujis]

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Ukrains watch this video and say how brave soldiers of Ukraine
As for me what they did, I don't know what to say, old woman said that she endured WW2, but didn't see such...

WHAT exactly are you trying to justify or prove here? The fact, that if not for your fucked up sheep-nation, there would be no need for a war in a brotherly slav nation? Or the fact, that there are friggin idiots on both sides? Like... do I have to pull out the video about a women tied to a pole and beaten in broad daylight on bogus charges and then proclaim, that the wannabee rebels are "all animals" and russians are all idiots for supporting them?

[Butan]

Whole ceasefire business is not going to hold, because russians don't have Mariupol+land route to Crimea at the very least, and there is this guy http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/09/05/russian-ambassador-anticipates-liberation-of-mariupol-in-ukraine who says that these people need to be liberated... so.
Ces't la vie (pardon me french  ).

I differentiate people giving their opinion on "what best could happen" and what will happen irl.
I guess very pragmatic military leaders think that a land route from Crimea to Russia would be very good, but there is so many parameters to include in the equation that I dont think it will happen 100% chance.

All a ceasefire need to hold is that both side wants it to hold bad enough, in this case I agree there is a lot of possibilities it doesnt but not only from Russia side IMO.
Since NATO summit its clear they are getting ready to kick some russians ass so why not use the pretext of a broken ceasefire to send fast deployable NATO force and repel/crush armed separatists up to the border with Russia and leave with Ukraine 100% in control?


On the singular case of Mariupol, I read that there is a lot of ethnic russian inside, so anything could happen, maybe a maidan or crimea scenario, or just continuation of civil war with expanded contested zone.

[DonNicko]

WHAT exactly are you trying to justify or prove here? The fact, that if not for your fucked up sheep-nation, there would be no need for a war in a brotherly slav nation? Or the fact, that there are friggin idiots on both sides? Like... do I have to pull out the video about a women tied to a pole and beaten in broad daylight on bogus charges and then proclaim, that the wannabee rebels are "all animals" and russians are all idiots for supporting them?

There is nothing to prove here, I post what people say about their lives, and you start as always to shittalk. About proclaims, I thought you had already done them

[Kuujis]

There is nothing to prove here, I post what people say about their lives, and you start as always to shittalk. About proclaims, I thought you had already done them

You know the sad part? Your posting looks like an attempt to say "but we had to intervene". And I lost you there, because thats BS of putlers order of magnitude.

On the singular case of Mariupol, I read that there is a lot of ethnic russian inside, so anything could happen, maybe a maidan or crimea scenario, or just continuation of civil war with expanded contested zone.

I'm afraid, that after seeing how separatists fighting in the cities acted, neither local russians, nor ukrainians want ANYTHING to do with putlers ambitions and the war he caused.

On a side note - now that Mariupol is being attacked and comparing city defence to how separatists did that - I see one major difference - there is fighting NEAR the town, but not IN the town. Go figure I guess...

[Butan]

I'm afraid, that after seeing how separatists fighting in the cities acted, neither local russians, nor ukrainians want ANYTHING to do with putlers ambitions and the war he caused.

What acts are you refering to?

On a side note - now that Mariupol is being attacked and comparing city defence to how separatists did that - I see one major difference - there is fighting NEAR the town, but not IN the town. Go figure I guess...

Mariupol is being attacked? I only read about skirmishes/shelling getting close to it and Ukraine reinforcing the city.
Especially since ceasefire, I think nothing big happened yet. If I'm wrong please share with me articles.

[Molly]

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Ukrains watch this video and say how brave soldiers of Ukraine
As for me what they did, I don't know what to say, old woman said that she endured WW2, but didn't see such...

There is nothing to prove here, I post what people say about their lives, and you start as always to shittalk. About proclaims, I thought you had already done them :D

That is not what you're doing there.
You post some fancy video of an old lady saying something and then you comment on it in a weighted manner. "brave soldiers of Ukraine" is obviously sarcasm. So do not complain when people react with sarcasm too.
Besides, is it really so unthinkable that some TV unit came to her house and told her "Here, have 1000 Rubel and tell us something juicy about them." You really think she would say no?
She might be saying the truth, I won't deny that. Unfortunately neither of us actually knows.

All that leads to a "shove it up your ass"-situation, I guess. :wink:

[DonNicko]

That is not what you're doing there.
You post some fancy video of an old lady saying something and then you comment on it in a weighted manner. "brave soldiers of Ukraine" is obviously sarcasm. So do not complain when people react with sarcasm too.
Besides, is it really so unthinkable that some TV unit came to her house and told her "Here, have 1000 Rubel and tell us something juicy about them." You really think she would say no?
She might be saying the truth, I won't deny that. Unfortunately neither of us actually knows.

All that leads to a "shove it up your ass"-situation, I guess.

I had a little bit of sarcasm, it's true, it was made by ukranian journalist not for TV, there is no naazis in Ukraine but those were acting like them, and of course there will be no accusation from their government. Nice to see people who can't change anything in the mind, they believe what they prefer to believe. And this people call some others brainwashed.

[Zhyang]

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[Vovka]

Can someone pls tell me whats going on ? Is there  a war incoming? Or already war?maybe a  summary?

war is over russia won

[Mala]

war is over russia won

you mean the terrorist, russia is not involved.