Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Christo]

oww, thats another problem for me, russian humour.

Its like the russians themselves.

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[Thomek]

Classic russian humour is awesome you ignorant tards.

The problem here is not russians or their culture I think. I have a very good impression of them. The problem is their criminal leadership.

WWIII with nukes won't happen. Neither will a large scale conventional war. MAD is still in effect, and nobody wants that. Not even Kim Jong is that stupid.

Putin is just playing a patient high-stakes poker game with the west. He won't back off until the west shows soldiers on the ground and willingness to act. It's only a mock poker game however, because no one are willing or able to pay the full price.

Now:

Playing a pokergame is easy for 1 man with all the power, but near impossible for democratic institutions like EU.  Always someone to veto decisions, everything takes too long to decide, and secrets are hard to keep, so he has an advantage there.

TBH though, Ukraine and Russia don't mean much to EU, except for the gas, which will be replaced from other sources soon enough. Putin pushes RF towards China(!?) which they have far less in common with than EU..

Well.. at least Putin can make the west hate Russia again, and get more support at home to secure his life-long presidency. RF can become Cuba, blame the west for all their problems while they suffer silently in poverty, watching TV at home with their vodka bottle, watching reportages of the sick and morally corrupted west..

[Vovka]

in criminal russia even cartoons characters make you cry


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Take it with a grain of salt but it just sounds too probable he actually said it...

Putin told Barroso he could 'take Kiev in two weeks'

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[lombardsoup]

Classic russian humour is awesome you ignorant tards.

The problem here is not russians or their culture I think. I have a very good impression of them. The problem is their criminal leadership.

WWIII with nukes won't happen. Neither will a large scale conventional war. MAD is still in effect, and nobody wants that. Not even Kim Jong is that stupid.

Putin is just playing a patient high-stakes poker game with the west. He won't back off until the west shows soldiers on the ground and willingness to act. It's only a mock poker game however, because no one are willing or able to pay the full price.

Now:

Playing a pokergame is easy for 1 man with all the power, but near impossible for democratic institutions like EU.  Always someone to veto decisions, everything takes too long to decide, and secrets are hard to keep, so he has an advantage there.

TBH though, Ukraine and Russia don't mean much to EU, except for the gas, which will be replaced from other sources soon enough. Putin pushes RF towards China(!?) which they have far less in common with than EU..

Well.. at least Putin can make the west hate Russia again, and get more support at home to secure his life-long presidency. RF can become Cuba, blame the west for all their problems while they suffer silently in poverty, watching TV at home with their vodka bottle, watching reportages of the sick and morally corrupted west..

The west can't exactly refute any accusations of corruption, given the decades long policeman of the world mentality of the US/EU.  Do I think the west is retarded enough to start a conventional war over this?

Yes.

[Mala]

if we earn enough money with it, probably yes.

[Anuran]

Do I think the west is retarded enough to start a conventional war over this?

Yes.

It's all about natural resources (oil, gas). The US need them to handle their economy. They can only achieve economical growth if they have these resources.

[Butan]

Anyway, the whole affair sounds like the cold war now. Every faction says that the others are the aggressor and everyone insist that their view is right.

You are 6 months late to the party.

[Molly]

Actually, China is behind all of it!

[lombardsoup]

It's all about natural resources (oil, gas). The US need them to handle their economy. They can only achieve economical growth if they have these resources.

That's true, which makes it funny as the US isn't even tapping into its own domestic supply and would instead continue to use oil as an excuse to invade other countries.

As the meme goes: 'murica

[Tibe]

It's all about natural resources (oil, gas). The US need them to handle their economy. They can only achieve economical growth if they have these resources.

Clearly only US needs them to handle their economy and reach growth dont they? EVERYBODY needs it, even you and your family and probably your children aswell. The only ones who dont, live in rain forests and hunt with spears. Its been pretty much said that Russia has agents in many alternative energy projects to hinder them so they can crank up the oil prices without fear of them finding alternatives. Bullshit? Quite possible yea, but everyone has a hidden agenda when it comes to resources. No country is or ever will be truly straight when it comes to this. Its not only the eeeeeevil resourcehogging US. Its everybody.

Russia needs resources even more than US. Sure its got a gigantic domestic supply, but it produces NOTHING, but natural resources. Its a country 100% running on oil and gasmoney. US has other sources beond that. Id say they need to manipulate the market as much as the US. If I was the theorist Illuminati type of person id even say that US and Russia secret cooperation to manipulate the markets would fair some pretty great profits for both of them.

[Leshma]

if we earn enough money with it, probably yes.

After that war, west wouldn't be what it is now. Population decline due to war and enemies showing their true face would change the structure of western civilization. Could bring it closer to rest of the world where population boom is still a thing and things are done in more direct, blunt way. Immigration served a crucial role in post WWII period and allowed the western Europe and USA to pursue human rights while rebuilding. Aftermath of WW2 could repeat again, but who knows, it could end up like the fall of Rome. It's your gamble. Just don't forget that Germans and rest of western Europe were the oppressed party that defeated the Empire and didn't want to negotiate, just to burn and pillage.

[Mala]

You are 6 months late to the party.

Naa, six month before was more like "sigh, my fellow has a fit again. just ignore it, it will be over quite soon."
Now it is more like "No, we don´t each other." and after a while (and some propaganda) it becomes "the threat from the east."

[lombardsoup]

Naa, six month before was more like "sigh, my fellow has a fit again. just ignore it, it will be over quite soon."
Now it is more like "No, we don´t each other." and after a while (and some propaganda) it becomes "the threat from the east."

More afraid of US/EU than I will ever be of Putin.

[Butan]

Naa, six month before was more like "sigh, my fellow has a fit again. just ignore it, it will be over quite soon."
Now it is more like "No, we don´t each other." and after a while (and some propaganda) it becomes "the threat from the east."

Maybe publically, but its not hard to assume that everyone were having the same kind of speech behind closed doors right from the start.
The population is ready now, the events unfurled, the badboy diplomacy built up to a reasonable height, so the time is ripe for more suitable efforts 

[Mala]

More afraid of US/EU than I will ever be of Putin.

it does not matter which one you choose, everyone is lying. on the other hand us/eu has the better PR.