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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5895 on: August 25, 2014, 05:56:25 pm »
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http://militarymaps.info/ Map of military operations in real time. Versions of all of the parties to modify the map. You can make changes. Very soon describe events will Serr. District Voenstroi, Zaporozhye... Hammers-boomerangs

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5896 on: August 25, 2014, 06:26:35 pm »
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There is a possibility from 500 captured vehicles, a part of them are "gifted" material.

That would be a good way to whitewash military support.
It is also true that the Ukrainian army is losing equipment to the rebels...

As with counting "real rebels" opposed to "russian soldiers", its hard to tell where people/gun/tank come from exactly.


http://militarymaps.info/ Map of military operations in real time. Versions of all of the parties to modify the map. You can make changes. Very soon describe events will Serr. District Voenstroi, Zaporozhye... Hammers-boomerangs


Wow, nice shit.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5897 on: August 25, 2014, 06:35:05 pm »
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http://militarymaps.info/ Map of military operations in real time. Versions of all of the parties to modify the map. You can make changes. Very soon describe events will Serr. District Voenstroi, Zaporozhye... Hammers-boomerangs
Out of curiosity. One flaggyicon represents how big troopsize?

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5898 on: August 25, 2014, 08:08:00 pm »
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There is a possibility from 500 captured vehicles, a part of them are "gifted" material.
Most of them would be. There's no way the separatists just "capture 500 armed vehicles." A mechanized infantry battalion would have, what, 50ish vehicles tops.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5899 on: August 25, 2014, 09:30:28 pm »
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https://twitter.com/poroshenko/status/503976211891367936
Poroshenko signed a decree in Kiev and dissolved the parliament.
Within the next 60 days a new election will come. A speaker said the date could be the 26th October.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5900 on: August 25, 2014, 10:11:36 pm »
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Oh noes, Ukraine´s largest guy, Leonid Stadnik, is dead :( .

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5901 on: August 25, 2014, 11:04:39 pm »
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https://twitter.com/poroshenko/status/503976211891367936
Poroshenko signed a decree in Kiev and dissolved the parliament.
Within the next 60 days a new election will come. A speaker said the date could be the 26th October.

If I'm correct, dissolving parliament usually mean reorganizing everything and getting the correct parties into their respective rolls.

I.E. When the party in power loses, parliment is "dissolved" to be replaced by a new group of parties.

Course I'm not a parliamentarian in the US, so I'm not sure how it works exactly.

Quick search:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/world/europe/ukraine-parliament/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
"Elections are scheduled for October 26"

Basically it just means: Time to Elect your MP's for the government.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5902 on: August 25, 2014, 11:48:19 pm »
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I think the dissolution was planned, so nothing much new...

http://www.interpretermag.com/moscows-actions-in-ukraine-helping-china-make-siberia-and-central-asia-beijings-near-abroad/ - when is russia allowing a vode in far east to join China?

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5903 on: August 26, 2014, 12:07:11 am »
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If I'm correct, dissolving parliament usually mean reorganizing everything and getting the correct parties into their respective rolls.

I.E. When the party in power loses, parliment is "dissolved" to be replaced by a new group of parties.

Course I'm not a parliamentarian in the US, so I'm not sure how it works exactly.

Quick search:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/world/europe/ukraine-parliament/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
"Elections are scheduled for October 26"

Basically it just means: Time to Elect your MP's for the government.

I believe it's because the parliament is still the same one that voted the last Yanukovitch laws (by the way it's very strange that this "fascist coup"  did not dissolve the previous parliament at gunpoint instantly). That makes it very complicated to have a functioning country.

Also this the RT article: http://rt.com/news/182720-ukraine-parliament-dissove-twitter/
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In late July, following the resignation of the government, Ukraine’s ruling coalition of nationalist Svoboda (Freedom) party and the Udar (Strike) party dissolved itself enhancing the prospects for an early vote.
Does anyone still think RT is not biased to the point of fabrication? Udar and Svoboda have less than one third of the seats of the majority in the current parliament, and suddenly it's a ruling coalition of Svoboda and Udar.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5904 on: August 26, 2014, 12:13:55 am »
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This thead keeps getting better. At some point I believed nobody would top murmillus but anuran is doing one hell of a show.

I mean.... the gems... it's too much

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5905 on: August 26, 2014, 12:20:58 am »
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Gonna stop you right there. You do realise Russia hasnt behaved so badly cause its NATO that keeps it in check. Look at the map of countries. Every country Russia borders has a puppeted government or is either to big to invade or is Nato. They are boxed in now and thank god for that. The assholes were so desperate to invade something that they even called dibs on the Arctic and basically told the rest of the world to fuck off. Not to mention unlike Natos trainingexercises, Russias yearly militarytrainings involve things like basically nuking Warsaw and invading the Baltic in less than a week. We dont know for certain, but atleast in Europe, Natos presence has done more good. But ofcourse things like could have, should have, would have are hardly convincing statements.

One could argue that nations throughout the world don't behave so badly because "NATO keeps them in check". However we find ourselves today burdened with the counter argument, that NATO's existence, its presence in the world is divisive and destructive and only seeks to push rival nations into a corner, again cutting the world in two, although instead of communism vs "democracy" it's NATO's hegemony vs sovereign states. The best way to unite factions is to have a common enemy, with NATO playing its war games in every region in the world it wouldn't be surprising if the next world war consists of the world against NATO. NATO's initial purpose was to keep the Soviet Union in check, now its to be world policemen, agents of regime change and projectors of an aggressive foreign policy, it's hard to deny what has happened, it's history. Unlike speculation as to what may have been or what will be or may never come to pass.

Judging by some of the responses here, the consensus is lead by those with the least knowledge on the situation, the most bias towards the pro-Western agenda in Ukraine.. Blatant accusations of Russian propaganda, when we're confronted with Ukrainian propaganda in our Western media every bloody week, "Ukraine says Russia invaded this and invaded that" without a shred of evidence a single shred of fucking evidence. Yet the majority of the evidence being passed around on the internet always appears to back the Russian governments position and opponents of the Ukrainian coup government. Too many people with big mouths shouting with their heads up their arses, too far embedded in their own shit they'd rather attack posters than rebuke their arguments and points which in my view blatantly reveals the weakness in their arguments, don't attack the message just the messenger, you don't have to think to do that.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5906 on: August 26, 2014, 12:42:58 am »
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You're competing with Molly for forum douche of the year.

You're competing with Anuran for forum cretin of the year. By the way Xant already won forum douche.

One could argue that nations throughout the world don't behave so badly because "NATO keeps them in check". However we find ourselves today burdened with the counter argument, that NATO's existence, its presence in the world is divisive and destructive and only seeks to push rival nations into a corner, again cutting the world in two, although instead of communism vs "democracy" it's NATO's hegemony vs sovereign states. NATO's initial purpose was to keep the Soviet Union in check, now its to be world policemen, agents of regime change and projectors of an aggressive foreign policy, it's hard to deny what has happened, it's history. Unlike speculation as to what may have been or what will be.

It's hard to deny that the combined interests of nation states result in wars and genocide. Of course "national sovereignty" is more catchy than "local despotism", and is a great communication asset for dictatorships. Also, NATO is a matter that pertains its members and would-be members. Russia clearly doesn't want to be part of NATO so why is Russia meddling in NATO affairs? The Russian media's constant effort to interpret real or alleged actions of NATO states as some sort of anti-Russian conspiracy (which makes zero sense by the way) is the only thing that could possibly make claims such as "NATO's initial purpose was to keep the Soviet Union in check" not look horribly stupid. If NATO actually followed its "national" interests you'd think Brazil would have been "attacked" by now. But somehow Brazil which is a functioning and peaceful modern democracy with decent human rights doesn't get half as much attention from NATO forces as expansionist local bullies Russia and China.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5907 on: August 26, 2014, 12:48:32 am »
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You're competing with Anuran for forum cretin of the year. By the way Xant already won forum douche.

WHAT? I don't think I like what you're insinuating.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5908 on: August 26, 2014, 12:49:58 am »
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WHAT? I don't think I like what you're insinuating.

Everybody here believes you are the most annoying person they have ever interacted with.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #5909 on: August 26, 2014, 01:01:21 am »
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You're competing with Anuran for forum cretin of the year. By the way Xant already won forum douche.

It's hard to deny that the combined interests of nation states result in wars and genocide. Of course "national sovereignty" is more catchy than "local despotism", and is a great communication asset for dictatorships. Also, NATO is a matter that pertains its members and would-be members. Russia clearly doesn't want to be part of NATO so why is Russia meddling in NATO affairs? The Russian media's constant effort to interpret real or alleged actions of NATO states as some sort of anti-Russian conspiracy (which makes zero sense by the way) is the only thing that could possibly make claims such as "NATO's initial purpose was to keep the Soviet Union in check" not look horribly stupid. If NATO actually followed its "national" interests you'd think Brazil would have been "attacked" by now. But somehow Brazil which is a functioning and peaceful modern democracy with decent human rights doesn't get half as much attention from NATO forces as expansionist local bullies Russia and China.

Yeah, national sovereignty is certainly catchier than "local despotism", because without national sovereignty there is no national identity. When a nation is broken down from the national level its divided into ethnicity, religion, culture and so forth, and unfortunately these aspects in many places around the world are far more divisive than they would be in the Western societies we're accustomed to. Just look what NATO achieved after denying Libya the right to be ruled by its own people, after the West decided who would be allowed to rule Libya we now see the nation in ruins, one that's now rampant with murder, infighting and that's become a jihadist stronghold. One size does not fit all, to have such a mentality is to view our own politics with rose tinted glasses as though every person around the globe holds the same ideals and goals in life that many Westerners do and to think that non-Western countries can be ruled by Western style governments is fantasy. It doesn't work, much of the world is not nearly as developed as the West and therefore the Western model simply does not fit. Every government installed by the West has been rotten and corrupt to the core, you cannot change a leopards spots by throwing dollars at it.

Clearly it is NATO that seeks to meddle with Russian, Iranian, Chinese and other states interests, it is NATO members that are surrounding states with military bases and missile "shields", it is NATO membership that's growing and encroaching on Russian borders, how can you blame the victims and excuse the aggressors Kafeine? (Kind of a silly question, I've made many points about emotionally charged western propaganda encouraging people to form likewise opinions.)

If NATO wiped away its apparently "respectable", "humanitarian" façade then they would easily become an easily exploited target by the free press (what little of it remains), and its geopolitical rivals. The main reason Brazil is largely ignored right now is down to plain old geopolitics. The regions in which NATO interfere the most are regions in which its rival states have natural regional enemies and opponents from which NATO can exploit and manipulate. (In the far East, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and others), (In Europe, Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, Finland, and others), (In Middle-East, Turkey, Saudi-Arabia, Qatar and others). NATO needs to legitimise itself and its actions through formations of multilateral groups of nations and interests, it needs a smoke screen to excuse its actions for without it can easily be accused of being the very threat it purports to keep in check. NATO's goals are purely geopolitical and unipolar in nature with the guise of multilateralism, if it actually upheld the democratic principles you think it does then why does it all too often side with "despots" and "dicatators" when it suits its agenda? Because when you focus on who NATO gets into bed with, you realise how NATO itself has undermined its own purported principles of democracy and humanitarianism and this should set off alarm bells in the minds of anyone who views NATO through rose tinted glasses.
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