Meanwhile in Ukraine

[DonNicko]

Mwahahaha I didn't understand what he said on the first video, but I didn't see vehicles crossing the border on this video

One of Malaysian mass media wrote this
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961
what do you think about it?

[Vovka]

or you could use the power of mathematics.
officially there are 2000 tons of aid supplies, divided by 280 vehicles makes 7.14 tons per lorry. in other words half empty (and this is a generous estimation).

google give me dat

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КамАЗ тентованный

   Грузоподъемность    10 тонн
Габариты кузова:
длина    6.1 м
ширина    2.4 м
высота    2.5 м
Количество пассажиров    2

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KamAZ tilt

Load capacity of 10 tons
Dimensions of the body:
length of 6.1 m
width 2.4 m
height of 2.5 m
volume of body  38 м3
Number of passengers 2

aslo do not forget about the density and the occupied volume:
for expl
bulk density of wheat -770 kg/м3 so for 8t (1 of the drivers talked about 8t dont know why, looks like they use only 80% from max
carrying capacity) it will be ~10m3 so its only 1/3-1/4 from full volume.


 

[Mwahahaha]

Mwahahaha I didn't understand what he said on the first video, but I didn't see vehicles crossing the border on this video

One of Malaysian mass media wrote this
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961
what do you think about it?

Probably my thoughts about it are the same as yours about intercepted radio-talks of terrorists about MH17, or changing characteristics of SU 25 on wiki, or messages from terrorists that they shot down ukrainian AN 26 which appeared as MH 17

[Kuujis]

google give me dat

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КамАЗ тентованный

   Грузоподъемность    10 тонн
Габариты кузова:
длина    6.1 м
ширина    2.4 м
высота    2.5 м
Количество пассажиров    2

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KamAZ tilt

Load capacity of 10 tons
Dimensions of the body:
length of 6.1 m
width 2.4 m
height of 2.5 m
volume of body  38 м3
Number of passengers 2

aslo do not forget about the density and the occupied volume:
for expl
bulk density of wheat -770 kg/м3 so for 8t (1 of the drivers talked about 8t dont know why, looks like they use only 80% from max
carrying capacity) it will be ~10m3 so its only 1/3-1/4 from full volume.

You are looking into an 10 wheeler, whereas most of the trucks in question are 10 wheeler pullers + 4 or 8 wheel trailes, whose payload is more to the tune of 40 to 80t. 8 tones per truck is... well... "pakazucha" (pardon my kirilica  ).  Below is the "latest and greatest" in Kamaz offerings, but I'm not maintaining the 85 tonees of semi-trailer, which is identified as its capability.

http://kamaz.net/en/vehicle/serial/40
Weights and Load capacities
Curb vehicle weight, kg    11850
Gross vehicle weight, kg    33500
Road train gross weight, kg    97000
Fifth wheel load, kg    21500
Gross semi-trailer weight, kg    85000

[Butan]

officially there are 2000 tons of aid supplies, divided by 280 vehicles makes 7.14 tons per lorry. in other words half empty (and this is a generous estimation).

If they were trying to transport hidden cargo, why would they not just "officially" say that they have 4000 tons of aid supplies then?
The inspections would show added hidden cargo weight.

Its more probable that there is really 2000 tons of supplies, but some could not be what they are.
Using 280 vehicles for all this must be explained by something else than all this discussion about capacity/density    look somewhere else, for example, more vehicles = more impressive help = more media coverage = less media coverage in other places.

[Thomek]

Wild speculation, but maybe they are planning to extract Russian operatives with the convoy.. If they have a lot of them in Ukraine, it would make sense if they are pulling out covertly, otherwise it would be obvious. It's not so easy to retreat in a hidden fashion otherwise. 

chaotic retreat, US in vietnam:

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[Butan]

If Russia has no problem sending in hundreds of top gear armored vehicles and thousands of mercenaries to get in Ukraine with never a photo, why would they need white painted red cross trucks heavily monitored and media covered to get out?

[Kuujis]

I think they are going to loot vegetables, meat and cheese... Thats why they need mooooaaaaar trucks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28849726

Meanwhile in Ukraine - not sure how unbiased this source is, but http://news.liga.net/news/politics/2970594-vyzhivshie_pereselentsy_soobshchili_podrobnosti_ataki_boevikov_video.htm

[Mwahahaha]

I think they are going to loot vegetables, meat and cheese... Thats why they need mooooaaaaar trucks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28849726

Meanwhile in Ukraine - not sure how unbiased this source is, but http://news.liga.net/news/politics/2970594-vyzhivshie_pereselentsy_soobshchili_podrobnosti_ataki_boevikov_video.htm

yep, terorrists shot cars with refugees which were leaving the city under white flags.

[Vovka]

I think they are going to loot vegetables, meat and cheese... Thats why they need mooooaaaaar trucks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28849726

Meanwhile in Ukraine - not sure how unbiased this source is, but http://news.liga.net/news/politics/2970594-vyzhivshie_pereselentsy_soobshchili_podrobnosti_ataki_boevikov_video.htm

smart idea evacuate civilian on military trucks

[Thomek]

Ukrainian soldiers badly beaten up, straight from the front:

They say they fighting RF military, not rebels. (Seriously watch the vid. These are not some lying politicians.)

Guys.. How thick are you in the head? I'm starting to believe I'm an idiot cause I keep arguing with you. You are either brainwashed or just hard core nationalists, repeating kremlins lies for fun.

Maybe you think you are kicking americas ass? You are not. Just fucking over your brothers the Ukrainians.

If Russia has no problem sending in hundreds of top gear armored vehicles and thousands of mercenaries to get in Ukraine with never a photo..

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-182-russian-aid-to-enter-ukraine-with-kievs-approval/#3854

Tons of recent pics of RF gear going into and out of Ukraine.

[DonNicko]

Thomek, Thomek stop getting brainwashed. He says that more then 5000 or 10000 troops of Ukranian army were killed in this ATO, but government says that it is only near 400. Interesting how he knew that he was fighting against russian, if you will see russian soldiers and east ukranian one, you will not see any difference. Maybe he came to the soldiers of separatists while shooting and asked them where are they from? Maybe, but...
About pictures eh... didn't see crossing the border.

[BIA_ivani4]

DonNicko

... Dave is Russian(descent) and you might find his info more appealing, but he is very nationalistic(now) thanks to this conflict.

He (DaveUkr) is not Russian. He is  ordinary ordinary rusofob, He is "Вырусь".

[Vovka]

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Ukrainian soldiers badly beaten up, straight from the front:

They say they fighting RF military, not rebels. (Seriously watch the vid. These are not some lying politicians.)

Guys.. How thick are you in the head? I'm starting to believe I'm an idiot cause I keep arguing with you. You are either brainwashed or just hard core nationalists, repeating kremlins lies for fun.

Maybe you think you are kicking americas ass? You are not. Just fucking over your brothers the Ukrainians.


http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-182-russian-aid-to-enter-ukraine-with-kievs-approval/#3854

Tons of recent pics of RF gear going into and out of Ukraine.

Immediately write a letter to Obama and Merkel and the OSCE. They are looking for evidence in the wrong place, let them look YouTube and social networks, all evidence of criminal and evil dids of chocolate chip cookie Russia there.
 about brotherhood of nations, it died with the Soviet Union, Ukraine has no brotherly Ukrainian people, there are only stuck Russian there. 20 years of hard work.
nice that you came down to us poor people (( I think we should be grateful  :P
 

[Kafein]

Interesting how he knew that he was fighting against russian, if you will see russian soldiers and east ukranian one, you will not see any difference.

Interesting that you would admit that.